Lack of integrity

I am a believer that things happen (or don't) for reasons we don't always recognize. If it wasn't meant to be there may well be a better car in your future. That doesn't help with the sting of losing out on your recent transaction, but it is a positive way of looking for the next one.

This has happened to me with two members of this board. The first time I had wired a down payment and was almost there with my trailer when he called and said he had changed his mind.

The second time, after agreeing to a price for the kar, I was to wire him $800 the following day as a down payment. When I called the next morning to get banking information, he said he had just sold it to his restoration shop. Not much integrity with either of these guys.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I dealt with a similar lack of integrity regarding another car from this forum about 2 months ago. The car was only 3 1/2 hours away from me and he knew that I was paying cash. He kept putting me off and then told me that he sold it to someone in Europe even though we had an agreement. Personally I believe that the guy was possibly misrepresenting the car and knew that I would pick up on it so he did not want me to see it. That is only a supposition but I really believe it to be true.

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Fred, if the car you were after was the red 66 gt vert, then I must tell you that I am the culprit, and you were not lied to. I was waiting to see the car in person before posting about my buying it, but as the seller's reputation is being discussed, I have to jump in.

I am sorry you were disappointed, but he told you the absolute truth, and the car will be making its way to the Swiss alps shortly.

I've experienced the same thing with cars over the years. Some people will tell you whatever they feel is necessary to keep you on "the line". With some folks, money comes before the notion of keeping one's word. They may reel you in, or they may throw you back depending on their needs (not yours).

The bottom line: Don't count on a thing no matter how much time you've put into phone calls and other correspondence. Keep your options open, because the guy with the car you want is most likely keeping his options way open.

Doc

PS - I have had a lot of great experiences, too.

Kinda like half the K parts that go thru Ebay... Someone contacts the seller with a offer they can't refuse and the auction is pulled!

Dan, sorry to hear another K got sold out from under you. I'm suppose to pick up my 65 Caspian K convertible tomorrow from the paint shop. As you know, it was a 1 owner San Jose car before I bought it a year ago. It will be 4 sale this spring, or sooner if

someone wants to finish the cosmetics. You would look good in the drivers seat!

I have been on both ends of the stick several times. Meaning, I have made an agreement, only to be sold out for a few dollars in the end.

From a sellers perspective, I have also been "Guaranteed Payment" only to have the buyer disappear. It has altered my methods slightly....but I continue to do business like I would expect myself.

I come across many K codes so if you are looking for a specific example, let me know. I am working on a couple K cars at the moment.

Rob

So I had this great experience with a board member<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>He had the barn-find of the century, of sorts, and went to great lengths to help me. The Kar had/has issues, but none were hidden, and in the end, I drove the car home from the hauler's dropoff. I made a leap of faith and my faith was justified. So ask others about the proposed transaction, perhaps privately with other members, and keep trying. It's worth it in the end.

I think most people are good and honorable, however there are a choice few that only look out for themselves. I think the underlying factor is greed $$$. When I bought my Shelby over 6 years ago, the buyer was offered more money before I was able to see it. He could have taken the extra money, but waited for me to see the car as he knew I had a flight arranged. I ended up with the car for less than what the other guy offered. I think to him it was less about money and more about having the car go to the right person. I think most people will do the right thing. Everyone I have dealt with on this forum has been great. I think this forum is a rare group of good people.

Jon

I was actually on the other end of the agreement, not on a mustang, but a 1971 Trans am 4 speed car.

I agreed on a price with someone, and agreed to sell it to him in 1 week. He was driving 1000 miles to get the car. Another buyer contacted me and when I told him the car was sold, he offered me $8000 more than the previous buyer. Now the cash was very tempting, but I was always brought up to honer my word, so I had to turn him down......bummer, I could have used the cash.

I guess just because people are on this forum doesn't mean they're good people. They may share your hobby, but that's all it is. In my opinion I would think that people like that here are a minority, it's just unfortunate that you found one. I believe what Dave (round2k) said is right, with a little more patience; you may find exactly what you were looking for at the right price. It is tough waiting, been there done that and a mate of mine is going through it too at the moment, but you really have to be patient, sorry <img src=images/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

I bought my kar through this forum and I'm from Australia. David McNeal was a perfect seller. He could have easily gone for the easy sale in the US, but he was true to his word and patient and my dream kar now sits in my garage.

Patience is the only advice I can give you. I ended up buying my kar when I least expected to, I hope the same will happen for you.

Good luck.

Regards,

René

Edited by - rene.pilat on 02/15/2007 22:59:13

I will offer one more thought about waiting and avoiding disappointment. It took me two years to find my car and I did a lot of looking. When I bought it I did not have the time to travel and see it in person, so I placed faith in the seller and asked for a lot of photos and swapped a lot of email. In the end I bought a car that many would be happy with, but it was far from perfect and initially I started to feel a bit stupid about my purchase. I thought I saw better cars change hands for equal or less money and perhaps I had been naive to pay so much. After looking at some of the cars other people have bought I now know that there aren't many "perfect" examples. However; there are so few of these cars remaining and they are so unique it is a pleasure to have one to work with as a project. When the restoration bug bites you nothing is ever quite as right as you know it can be, so you constantly seek to improve. I have stepped back and resigned myself to incremental restoration, in part because of the cost, but also because it's a journey I am enjoying. Hang in there and the right car will come along, and don't be disappointed when it's not perfect.

I to have had problems with buyers say yea I want the car but never come to see the car when they say they are. And then they call after two or three weeks and ask if the car is still for sale. I never try to talk a person into buying my vehicle. I had nine people wanting to look at my K's and no one showed up.If the buyer doesn't want to take the time to look thats there problem not mine. My one K sold to a guy that got my name from an X employee. He had no idea about hipomustang.com. He put a large down payment,and wanted to pick the car asap. I to have had cars sold out from under me even have paid a deposit. And I would have paid more for the car.The moral of the store is buy the car right then and now and take it home with you. Don't hesitate or you will regrete it. I learned a long time ago not to make promises to someone that has NOT made up there mind. The K Mustang's are a HIGH Interest Car.So if you want one you BETTER MOVE ON IT NOW not later. Remeber one in the hand is better than two in the bush!!!!!! Just my 2 cents. Ron

Amen.

I to have had problems with buyers say yea I want the car but never come to see the car when they say they are. And then they call after two or three weeks and ask if the car is still for sale. I never try to talk a person into buying my vehicle. I had nine people wanting to look at my K's and no one showed up.If the buyer doesn't want to take the time to look thats there problem not mine. My one K sold to a guy that got my name from an X employee. He had no idea about hipomustang.com. He put a large down payment,and wanted to pick the car asap. I to have had cars sold out from under me even have paid a deposit. And I would have paid more for the car.The moral of the store is buy the car right then and now and take it home with you. Don't hesitate or you will regrete it. I learned a long time ago not to make promises to someone that has NOT made up there mind. The K Mustang's are a HIGH Interest Car.So if you want one you BETTER MOVE ON IT NOW not later. Remeber one in the hand is better than two in the bush!!!!!! Just my 2 cents. Ron

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taking it even a step further, who's to say half the bids on those auctions are from persons not even interested in actually needing the part or even owning the part, but rather to drive the auction up to increase the value of their personal inventory. I have personally seen mysterious patterns. Ebay is the almighty double-edged sword.

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Ebay is the almighty double-edged sword.

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Agreed!