NOS 1965-1966? FORD 289 HIPO Engine in Crate

65 2plus2_old · October 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Any thoughts on this being an actual NOS HIPO engine?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/…em=110449536376

Darrell

toolbox · October 24, 2009 at 7:20 PM

cool.

It looks real. It looks like it has all the right parts. The 245 on the tags indicates a k-code motor.

The address on the tags is in the same town as the seller. It's probably the real deal. The only thing is it's probably rusty inside from sitting all these years.

65 2plus2_old · October 24, 2009 at 7:59 PM

toolbox

Thanks for the info. I wondered what the significance of the 245 was.

I sure it is probably rusty inside, but you never know!

acman63_old · October 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Pretty sure the 245 is the 4 speed designation with 246 the auto. has a stick flywheel and a 66 stick carb. Very late July 66 date code on the block

289tr4_old · October 25, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Looks like the right tri-y headers non-vacuum distributor.

jwc66k · October 25, 2009 at 4:28 PM

For an old engine, it has a few "shiny" items, like the accelerator return bracket, the bracket's nut, the idle adjust screw and just about everything else associated with the carb. The engine ID tag is in relatively good shape too.

Jim

CharlesTurner · October 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM

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For an old engine, it has a few "shiny" items, like the accelerator return bracket, the bracket's nut, the idle adjust screw and just about everything else associated with the carb. The engine ID tag is in relatively good shape too.

Jim

Would expect the carb to have been covered in plastic, which would have protected those items. A detail that is nice to see and indicates the carb is untouched is the return spring being dyed in blue. All of the re-builders do that piece wrong in zinc dichromate.

SaltLakeDj · October 25, 2009 at 6:33 PM

The 245 is the factory engine designation code. 65-66 hipo being 245K or 246 K, a 641/2 would have a code 554K, a 67 would have a code of 563K or 564K

-Scott-

jwc66k · October 25, 2009 at 10:00 PM

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For an old engine, it has a few "shiny" items, like the accelerator return bracket, the bracket's nut, the idle adjust screw and just about everything else associated with the carb. The engine ID tag is in relatively good shape too.

Jim

Would expect the carb to have been covered in plastic, which would have protected those items. A detail that is nice to see and indicates the carb is untouched is the return spring being dyed in blue. All of the re-builders do that piece wrong in zinc dichromate.

Somehow, I don't think so.

Jim

dunc289_old · October 26, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Jim, share with us why you don't think so....wouldn't they protect the induction side from debris, etc., ...?<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

65 2plus2_old · October 26, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Looks like it has a Ford Motor Company tag on it. Of course I don't see as well as I used to!<img src=images/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

jwc66k · October 26, 2009 at 10:43 AM

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Jim, share with us why you don't think so....wouldn't they protect the induction side from debris, etc., ...?<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Looking at the condition of the engine, rust mostly, and the latest admission by the seller that the engine won't turn over, any covering over the carb would be a trap for moisture, especially in the East, as in Ohio. Ever hear of condensation? To see a "shiny" bracket and other items on the carb, would make me suspicious. If anything, I would assume that the carburetor was added to enhance the sale.

Jim

s2ms · October 26, 2009 at 12:42 PM

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Actually he says "also the motor does turn over."

jwc66k · October 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM

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Actually he says "also the motor does turn over."

You are correct.

Jim

dunc289_old · October 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Jim, yes, of course I've heard oof condensation, but I would think it would be somewhat vulnerable to condensation in any case, considering the rest of the engine's appearance... it does seem a very "fresh" carb, thats for sure, I just was wondering if anything could have kept it looking that fresh? Do you think not? Anyone else?<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

65 2plus2_old · October 26, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Condensation tends to drip from the top down which could end up making the carb look better than the rest of the engine. But what do I know?

SaltLakeDj · October 26, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Factory assembly lube will most likely protect the internals, but the heads would have to have a complete disasembly and possibly valves need to be relapped or replaced, the rope seal and timing chain seal would have to be replaced. the intake manifold most likely has rust inside.

To even try to start this engine without a complete disaembly and a good going over with a scotchbrite on all internal parts and hot tank the block and manifolds would destroy the engine in my opinion.

Looking at another $500-$1000 over what the winner pays with shipping .

Possibly $7000-$10,000 total. Too much in my opinion.

-Scott_

SaltLakeDj · October 26, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Note no chrome dipstick. No rubber on the J hooks. I think the carburetor is not original to this engine. you could get that blue dye look on the return spring with a blue sharpy. I think it has been added. Engine tag has likely been added.

Also date on the shipping tag appears to be Jan-86.

No 245K 10 degrees label on the coil. No 289 Cobra powered by ford- High performance labels on the rocker covers. A complete crate engine would have these labels. I think the rocker covers were added at some point.

Spark plug wires to the distributor would likely not be included. Coil would likely not be included.

I think this is a remanufactured engine with a lot of old parts added to make it look like a complete factory engine.

Any thoughts on this?

-Scott-

RalphJr · October 27, 2009 at 7:43 AM

While I agree it is odd that the engine has such a clean carb - it is not what I would call "pristine". I'd bet it was covered with something.

For me there are just too many details - like all the hole plugs and wire clips that are correct or similar to photos I've seen - it is legit IMHO. I think the seller may have "wiped" off a few bits - like the engine tag - which make it look odd - but not incorrect.

Scott - decals on the valve covers are a MYTH - no HiPo Mustang ever came with them - so I wouldn't expect to see them on a factory crate engine either - especially in a '66 vintage from the casting dates he has posted for the engine. Search the archive and you will find this has been discussed here before.

I would expect to see wires and the coil since these engines were run in before shipment - plus I've seen period photos with similar details.

Hand written date on yellow tag looks like JAN '68 to me.

Definitely a nice find - especially for someone needing one for their car.

My 2 cents.

66gtk · October 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Chrome dipstick? I thought the factory ones were painted block color?

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