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qballll_old · December 24, 2007 at 2:58 AM

Found this on eBay. Take a look.

FORD MUSTANG CONVERTIBLE K CODE

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/For…ZWDVWQQtcZphoto

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Edited by - SixT5HiPo on 12/24/2007 20:29:57

dunc289_old · December 24, 2007 at 7:33 AM

Pretty amazing barn find, some work ahead, but for an early Kar, pretty nice!!<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

SixT5HiPo · December 24, 2007 at 1:00 PM

Gotta love the fat pulley on the generator!

65KHIPO_old · December 25, 2007 at 11:09 AM

Any guess what this Kar will bring?<img src=images/icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

silverblue_old · December 25, 2007 at 1:59 PM

i spoke with the seller who told me he has 3 people local to him who have been trying to buy this car for "years". he said their offers are all "around 25k". because he is not familiar with mustangs he decided to let ebay determine its worth. i can just imagine who much those 3 guys are liking him & his decision to sell it in online after pursuing this car for years.

fyi he told me he paid someone to inspect the car and was told it has the original engine/trans & correct hipo components. he was also told it needs a floor, inner rockers, torque boxes, frame rails.

hard to put a price on a kar this rare but i'll bet it'll bring big money despite its restoration needs since it has the correct stuff under the hood.

CharlesTurner · December 25, 2007 at 2:57 PM

Another example of a car that is very rare in numbers, but a buyer faced to decide between this car and a later '65 or '66 K car with possibly either pony interior and/or being a GT, the ol' generator car would probably not win. I don't see how this car could bring more than $20k in it's present condition, but that's not to say that someone wouldn't pay it... especially if they have been looking for a red 64.5 K convertible.

davmcn_old · December 25, 2007 at 6:29 PM

You guys are much smarter than me but when a car like this has the rust this one has, ask about gaps and door fit and function. Convertibles with this kind of rust do tend to sag and cause door problems...

CharlesTurner · December 25, 2007 at 7:10 PM

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You guys are much smarter than me but when a car like this has the rust this one has, ask about gaps and door fit and function. Convertibles with this kind of rust do tend to sag and cause door problems...

That is exactly right... and why it could easily cost upwards of $20k to do all the welding, body work and paint on that car. Then you can get down to restoring everything else! <img src=images/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

SixT5HiPo · December 25, 2007 at 7:51 PM

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...it could easily cost upwards of $20k to do all the welding, body work and paint on that car. Then you can get down to restoring everything else! <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

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...the ol' generator car would probably not win. I don't see how this car could bring more than $20k in it's present condition, but that's not to say that someone wouldn't pay it... especially if they have been looking for a red 64.5 K convertible.

Although it seems to be all there, this one is pretty rough and doesn't drive. I'd want to start with an alternator car that can be driven anyday!

63Kcode_old · December 26, 2007 at 8:09 AM

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I'd want to start with an alternator car that can be driven anyday!

So what days can I not drive with a generator. I've never had a problem with the generator on my 63.

Larry

dunc289_old · December 26, 2007 at 8:14 AM

A very original and, EARLY Kar like this would still be sweet when finished. Maybe not everyone's FIRST choice, but how many choices do we have at the moment? How many first choices are for sale, and for how much. Do the Kar, and drive it until there is something to trade up for, a hedge against the inflation pressure here won't go amiss, IMHO.<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

round2K_old · December 26, 2007 at 10:56 AM

I would love to have an unrestored car like this one to work with.

C6ZZKGT · December 27, 2007 at 8:41 AM Official Post

I agree with Dave on the unrestored part however the rust tends to scare me away. I already went through all of the rust issues on a 66 Hipo GT T5 convertible that I had many years ago. The doors would only open when you were outside the Kar. If you were inside it involved a lot of shoving to get the doors open. I did however fly my wife and son back to Georgia with me so that we three could pick this Kar up and take it home by driving it cross country to California. Does that take guts or what? At least my Kar was more or less driveable whereas the one in this auction is definitely not as it is now. My Kar came out really nice but it was a lot of work. There are many people on this forum who are working with rust issues as well and the expense can be a killer.

-Fred-

SixT5HiPo · December 27, 2007 at 12:40 PM

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I'd want to start with an alternator car that can be driven anyday!

So what days can I not drive with a generator. I've never had a problem with the generator on my 63.

Larry

I never had a problem with the generator on my '64 Sports Coupe, either, Larry. There's nothing wrong with a generator, but if I had a choice, I'd rather have a car with a more modern and efficient charging system. Sorry if my point wasn't clear. Incidently, this car was probably built about a month before the change to alternators.

My main point refers to the seller's disclosure that the engine can't be run unless it is supplied fuel through an external method because the fuel system is so far deteriorated ...sounds dangerous to say the least. Because of this problem, the car can't be driven before making the purchase. That is why I made the comment about wanting to start with a car that can be driven, and generator vs alternator is not the issue here.

Charles also makes a good point that this car will be expensive to restore, and when it's finished, it may not be worth as much as a later car with "better" options.

65gt_old · December 27, 2007 at 9:35 PM

As much as I love red convertibles, the generator and rust are negatives for me. It will be interesting to see if it goes beyond 25K.

round2K_old · December 28, 2007 at 6:45 AM

I may have missed it in the ebay listing, but I didn't see much there in the way of rust mentioned. Are the rust issues that are being discussed here a result of the other contact that was had with the seller? The fuel system is easy; change the tank, lines and pump and overhaul the carb. If there's that kind of rust, though, I agree with Fred and the others about the "ugh" factor and expense.

CharlesTurner · December 28, 2007 at 8:30 AM

I got an e-mail from the seller that a local shop had looked at the car and said it needed the full gambit of rust repair: floors, rockers, torque boxes, quarters, etc... With a Maryland address, you can rest assured that the rust is worse than it appears in the pics.

C6ZZKGT · December 28, 2007 at 8:38 AM Official Post

I just looked again at the Ebay auction Dave and this is one of the statements in the auction.

"Car has NEVER been restored !! Has the Normal rust on both torque boxes , rear inner and outer wheelhouses , Framerails & Floorboards."

It sure sounds like it will need more than just a fuel line and fuel tank to me. "Normal rust" to me sounds like the carpet is now the floor and good luck on opening and closing the doors. I could, of course, be wrong on this. It is just a mental picture that I have. As bad as my Hipo GT T-5 convertible was, even it did not need a fuel line. I believe that the paint on my Kar was the strongest part of the Kar as the metal certainly was not. <img src=images/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> How bad does a car have to get before it rots out the fuel line? I am sure glad that I am in California as I would truly hate to see good cars just disintegate from rust.

-Fred-

CharlesTurner · December 28, 2007 at 8:44 AM

Not sure if anyone noticed that the driver side fender is the '66 style. I surely hope anyone interested in buying this car take the time to inspect it personally before making any assumptions based on the photographs.

round2K_old · December 28, 2007 at 8:46 AM

I have the same problem you do, Fred; being from California the word "normal" has a different definition. When someone talks about fuel tank rust out here it's generally on the inside! of the tank.

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