Iowa's 5F09K project

iowa_old · January 1, 2011 at 10:51 PM

jim

we checked

and my son's lower mounts have a different marking

the one's for my K code are correct

ie C4ZA-6A030-B

an C4ZA-6C041-B

but are they the exact same shape?

iowa

C6ZZKGT · January 4, 2011 at 2:41 AM Official Post

The 65 Hipo frame mount castings have a deeper saddle for the mounts to set into compared to the standard 65 castings due to the complexity of the Hipo mounts. If the Hipo castings were not deeper, the engine would sit too high in the engine compartment.

-Fred-

iowa_old · January 4, 2011 at 7:46 AM

thanks for info

while mine and my son's mounts are out,

i will set them side by side

and take some comparison photos.

will post later

iowa

iowa_old · January 6, 2011 at 7:54 AM

are these thin metal plates used on K car's?

we encountered it when tearing down

the water pump on my son's '66 C coupe.

were they added on for later engines and pumps

to facilitate water flow.

the reason i ask

is because i can't find this part in the usual catalogs.

iowa

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CharlesTurner · January 6, 2011 at 8:17 AM

That's for a cast-iron water pump and usually comes already installed on the pumps.

iowa_old · January 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM

the HiPo book states that some K cars did have cast iron pumps!

if one did have one of these,

or like the one on my son's '66,

does one just use 2 gaskets to re install?

thanks

iowa

jwc66k · January 6, 2011 at 12:18 PM

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the HiPo book states that some K cars did have cast iron pumps!

if one did have one of these,

or like the one on my son's '66,

does one just use 2 gaskets to re install?

thanks

iowa

Read the text on page 30 of the HP book (4th ed).

Jim

C6ZZKGT · January 6, 2011 at 12:36 PM Official Post

Dave, In response for the need for two gaskets, yes, it will need two gaskets and they are both different.

-Fred-

iowa_old · January 6, 2011 at 12:51 PM

oh my..

almost sorry i asked!

i checked with NPD

and they say the gaskets are the same!

iowa

Edited by - iowa on 01/06/2011 14:47:12

RalphJr · January 6, 2011 at 5:37 PM

I think NPD is likely wrong - but check your locak Autoparts store.

The gaskets I just replaced on my daughters '66 with a '93 302 were different. The same gasket in both places might not work - won't on a later model - so check before you buy.

jwc66k · January 6, 2011 at 6:23 PM

The appropiate gasket usually comes with a new or rebuilt water pump, both cast iron and aluminum types. The cast iron type has the cover to gasket installed and you do not need to remove it. Ford replacement gasket part numbers are: al pump - C2OZ-8507-B; cast iron pump, to timing cover - C5AZ-8507-B; pump cover to pump - C5AZ-8513-A. You most likely will not find these part numbers on aftermarket gasket kits but the three numbers indicate three different gaskets. Many gasket kits include all three. When you mix in a 5.0 pump gasket, I think the pump design is different and not interchangable. The aluminum to cast iron pump change is documented as level 8 (L8), done from March to Aug 65. It also includes the timing cover.

Jim

iowa_old · January 6, 2011 at 8:32 PM

i tried to take a picture showing an edge

with the gasket material on both sides

but it didn't take well.

but.......the gaskets, at least here on my son's car,

and to my eye; i am near sighted,

did look the same thickness

iowa

C6ZZKGT · January 6, 2011 at 9:26 PM Official Post

Dave, The inner and outer gaskets for the cast iron pump are the same thickness but are cut differently around the water port and upper edge. They are not interchangeable.

-Fred-

iowa_old · January 7, 2011 at 7:18 AM

i'll check today with our local NAPA guy

and see if he can order both of these gaskets!

thanks for all your help guys

iowa

Edited by - iowa on 01/07/2011 07:18:57

iowa_old · January 7, 2011 at 7:26 AM

here is the head off my son's '66

if one looks closely

one can see the '302' between the rockers.

this is the head that had the reinforcement tabs

so the intake manifold ears wouldn't break off so easily.

is this a 302 head?

thanks

iowa

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CharlesTurner · January 7, 2011 at 7:37 AM

If it has 302 cast in it, then definitely a 302 head.

iowa_old · January 8, 2011 at 1:05 PM

2 Q's

what is the correct color of blue for a ford engine?

'old ford blue' from NAPA?

is the VMF server down?

i get a message that my server is denied access.

(sorry to post this on this site,

but everyone probably knows by now

to ignore my threads and posts if need be)

iowa

C7ZZ-F_old · January 8, 2011 at 2:34 PM

i like plastikote #224.i am getting same message on vmf forum.

iowa_old · January 10, 2011 at 7:11 PM

we used the 'old ford blue' for the block etc.

and just sanded blasted the exhaust manifolds.

my son is happy with the detail.

iowa

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GregM_old · January 17, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Isn't there a provision for the brake cable on ealry floor pans over the frame rail ? This is not on the Dynacorn floor pan and would have to be cut out of the stock pan.

Anyone have pics of this ?

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