Barrett Jackson

wlewis_old · January 15, 2009 at 9:58 AM

A 66 K code coupe, sold yesterday for 36k, including buyer fees. According to the brief description and pictures, it appeared to be a nice restoration, non GT and non Pony package. A K code convertible runs through today. You can check their website, barrett-jackson.com and see all the prices prices after the fact.

6hypo5conv_old · January 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM

I too saw the coupe go through and thought for the way the economy is that the price was pretty good.

I also noted that from what I saw the car had the optional 15" plain steel wheels like I've seen in Tony's book, and the guys seemed to not even have a clue as to why the car was being sold/shown WITHOUT wheelcovers!!!! (LOL) (I personally don't like the Cobra valve covers either)

billh_old · January 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM

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(I personally don't like the Cobra valve covers either)

I like them only on the cars they were intended for.

azbeneman · January 18, 2009 at 2:05 AM

I was able to check this car out after it ran through. It was a very nice car. Other than the valve covers, headers and large exhaust, the only other non-stock item I saw as a 68 top loader shifter (round lock out). The tires were wider in the rear, and the car had a really cool vintage drag car look. I too thought the price was fair all things considered.

I looked over the convertible briefly (lot 1061). It was a red 66 GT K vert with an automatic. I think it had a pony int. It looked basically stock, and pretty well done. It sold for $34K + 10%. I don't recall the white gauges or silver instruments/bezel. Those may have been changed back prior to the auction.

A third car ran at Russo Steele this evening. It was a burgandy 65 GT K Vert (late 65 Dearborn car). The write up said it was #s matching. The shock towers had been removed, and it had a rack & pinion steering set up. The stamping on the fender did not look original to me. It had some sort of high flow fuel pump on it. The heads, balancer and carb appeared legit. It had a black pony int and black top. I left before it hit the stage, so I am not sure what it went for.

Edited by - azbeneman on 01/18/2009 02:13:15

Edited by - azbeneman on 01/18/2009 02:13:39

6hypo5conv_old · January 18, 2009 at 3:52 AM

That Burgandy K Vert has been floating around for some time now.

I think it was an all out crime that someone hacked up a K Vert.

I think they had all the original engine parts though it was being sold with all the aftermarket non-stock parts on it.

This type of modification should have been done on a 6 cylinder or C code car, not a K !

round2K_old · January 18, 2009 at 9:34 AM

The ex-Nelson brothers 65 K vert with the AC sold for $73,700.

C6ZZKGT · January 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM Official Post

Lot number 1061, 66 KGT conv, was only listed in the results as being a Mustang GT Convertible. I was unaware the "K" status until I opened the link. If other buyers only went by the description they may have not noticed the Kar and therefore did not bid on it. Even though it was an automatic, it was still a better Kar in my eyes that the ex-Nelson Kar and should have brought much better money. Of course this is based only on seeing the Kar in the pictures and reading the description. A closer inspection might have changed that opinion. Did any one here see the Kar?

-Fred-

wlewis_old · January 19, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Wouldn't the ex Nelson car have an aftermaket or dealer installed AC? If so, wouldn't that hurt the value?

C6ZZKGT · January 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM Official Post

A/C is always a talking point on this forum as Hipos originally did not come with A/C. I have put A/C in a number of Hipo cars and a lot of them were mine. The A/C that I use is always the Ford system that would have been factory installed in any given year. In 1965 and 1966 dealer and factory installed systems are the same. The one in the ex-Nelson car is a proper Ford unit. The problem with putting A/C in a Hipo is that if you have the original C5OE balancer, the lower A/C pulley will not fit as the minor diameter of the opening is too small. I have had to slightly enlarge the opening to make the pulley fit a C5OE balancer. If you have a C8ZE replacement balancer then everything fits fine. As far as value, keep in mind that Shelby installed A/C on all of the six 1966 GT350 convertibles that he built. Somehow I do not believe that it reduced the value of those cars.

-Fred-

wlewis_old · January 19, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Makes good sense.

jwc66k · January 19, 2009 at 3:20 PM

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A/C is always a talking point on this forum as Hipos originally did not come with A/C. I have put A/C in a number of Hipo cars and a lot of them were mine. The A/C that I use is always the Ford system that would have been factory installed in any given year. In 1965 and 1966 dealer and factory installed systems are the same. The one in the ex-Nelson car is a proper Ford unit. The problem with putting A/C in a Hipo is that if you have the original C5OE balancer, the lower A/C pulley will not fit as the minor diameter of the opening is too small. I have had to slightly enlarge the opening to make the pulley fit a C5OE balancer. If you have a C8ZE replacement balancer then everything fits fine. As far as value, keep in mind that Shelby installed A/C on all of the six 1966 GT350 convertibles that he built. Somehow I do not believe that it reduced the value of those cars.

-Fred-

I can confirm that the A/C was installed and still is present on SFM6S2377, the red Shelby convertible. My pictures do not show the lower pulley however.

Jim

As I was putting away the pictures, I noticed that the rear window was the folding type and that a standard Mustang hood latch was used.

Edited by - jwc66k on 01/19/2009 15:28:32

C6ZZKGT · January 19, 2009 at 3:31 PM Official Post

Shelby came up with a lower pulley that fit inside the original single groove pulley to run the A/C belt. The factory A/C pulley was only a 3 groove and the outer part sleeve made it too large in diameter. By coming up with a pulley that fit internally, the problem was solved. A friend of mine has one of those pulleys and it is aluminum and looks strange because it is so deep. It appears to me like the pulley was from some aftermarket A/C system that was available at the time. It is pretty crudely finished.

-Fred-

dunc289_old · January 20, 2009 at 8:26 AM

Nevermind, it fits, it works, and it probably was made for the application. Works for me.<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

RalphJr · January 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM

OK I'll chime in on the A/C issue.

My car had dealer air installed in '65 - can't prove it, but the car was sold in July '65 in Oklahoma - HOT HOT HOT. Car was built in April and Ink stamp datecode on the back of the original A/C unit is June '65.

I purchased the car in '79 with everything intact - A/C didn't work, but after 14 years that was no big surprise.

The Ford system for the HiPo used a special aftermarket lower pulley that fit the HiPo balancer - I still have mine - it is a large cast iron three groove pulley and is a snug fit with the ID of the HiPo damper. I'd be happy to provide photos or measurement details to anyone interested. Also, Bob Mannel's Small Block Ford book has a picture of a Ford prototype HiPo engine with A/C and power steering installed. My pulley looks just like the one in the photo - at least at that angle. My pulley would allow A/C and P/S to be used on the HiPo.

Oh - let's not forget Henry Ford's HiPo coupe had A/C and P/S too.

I can also confirm that the Green '66 GT350 convertiable has A/C too. Never looked at the lower pulley though. Not sure I have any photos of the engine on that car.

I've pulled the A/C completely off my car and had the firewall repaired back to stock non-A/C condition because I didn't want to get into the A/C value or originality debate - plus it saved me $$$ on the resto so far.

Besides as a teenager I never drove the car with A/C anyway, so I know how hot it is - to me that is part of the fun and memories once I get it back on the road!

camp upshur · January 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM

I am curious as to the wheels on the Yellow coupe. Perhaps I've missed it in my searching, but could anyone comment specifically on the 15" plain steel wheels offered for a '65 or perhaps refer me a prior discussion? Thanks Guys

RalphJr · January 21, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Not sure of the exact details, but they were part of a rare competition package option - similar to some '65 Shelby's delivered with the 15" steel wheels.

I know there is a picture of a red car in Tony's book with the larger wheels i think. I have personally seen a '65 GT350 at the mid-America Shelby Meet that still had the 15" steel wheels. Never seen a Hipo with them in person, but they are out there.

I have no details on the exact Comp Package other than it had the larger wheels and disc front brakes.

Maybe someone else can provide more details.

camp upshur · January 21, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Thank you RalphJr.

This is a 1965 GT-350 Kelsey Hayes 15x6:

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It is a Very distinctive wheel (actually the center hub with it's very small openings-riveted to the rim) issued on these San Jose builds from FoMoCo.

Various Hi Performance Galaxies (to include the lightweights) had a very similar wheel (with the same distinctive center hub) issued in 15x5 and 15x5.5.

Other than mention made in Tony Gregory's book have there beeen other sightings? I am interested if perhaps this Barrett-Jackson '65 Coupe may have had this option package or if anyone here had encountered a Kar so equipped. Gentlemen??

Thanks

Edited by - camp upshur on 01/21/2009 18:55:20

66gtk · January 21, 2009 at 9:19 PM

I'll dig up some pics, but a customer of mine is the original owner of her '65 GT A code fastback. I have a picture of her from '65 with the black wheels like the BJ car, and she is still running black painted wheels with spyder caps. Looks pretty sweet, actually.

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