Underside color

Qman · October 3, 2007 at 5:12 PM

I've noticed that on some 67 k codes the red oxide primer on the underside of the car is somewhat shiny while other cars have a more dull finish. Does anyone know the actual color formula for a 67 Dearborn k code and where it can be purchased? Thanks, Qman

CharlesTurner · October 3, 2007 at 5:51 PM

Undercarriage primer (no matter what color) is generally a semi-gloss.

Edited by - caspian65 on 10/03/2007 17:51:39

BMaloof_old · October 4, 2007 at 5:15 AM

The other thing I have noticed is that the color is not the same on each car. The color can be anything under the rainbow as the ford paint shop put the left over paint in the primer pot. I have an S code vert in the shop right now that was sprayed black at the factory. The 67 fast back I owned a year or two ago has an aweful pinkish color on it. I have an unrestored 68 shelby that is a very dark red.

289kford · October 4, 2007 at 6:32 AM

Did I read some time ago that some of the Detroit built cars were undercoated? Does that seem logical that the plant would do that? likely I mis read.

CharlesTurner · October 4, 2007 at 11:07 AM

Any full undercoating on Mustangs would have been done by the selling dealer.

round2K_old · October 4, 2007 at 4:41 PM

MCA rules allow red oxide, black or slop gray for painted undercarriages.

J_Speegle_old · October 4, 2007 at 4:52 PM

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I've noticed that on some 67 k codes the red oxide primer on the underside of the car is somewhat shiny while other cars have a more dull finish. Does anyone know the actual color formula for a 67 Dearborn k code and where it can be purchased? Thanks, Qman

The epoxy primers normally had a decent shine to them originally - not a gloss but no where as flat as you see them on some "restored" cars.

The color and tint would depend on when and where your car was built and one of the biggest mistakes is using a car or details from a different year, plant or time period than your car.

IS you car so far gone as to not have any good samples of the original undercarriage color left? I've gone to collecting samples of the floors (cutting the metal and saving it) since pictures are often "off" in their tone or saturation.

If you can find a sample take the time to copy and get it right (took 25+ attempts for me to get one right before all the computer tools came along) you'll likely never get a chance to redo the unibody and cutting corners here only limits what you can do with the car later. Remember, everything after this is bolt on

Unfortunately MCA "allows" an owner to choose. This leads allot of owners to do their own thing rather than restoring their car and in turn effects what others choose. A never ending circle

Edited by - J_Speegle on 10/04/2007 16:56:21

round2K_old · October 4, 2007 at 6:44 PM

Nice going Jeff; add fuel to the fire for those of us who are obsessive. Now I'm going to be crawling all over the thing poking holes in the chassis because not knowing the original primer color actually has been bugging me. The PO media blasted my car inside & out. Where do you think the most likely spot would be for original undercarriage color to survive?

toolbox · October 5, 2007 at 9:27 AM

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If the PO didn't blast off the factory sound deadener in the front wheel well area, you may be able to chip some of that off and look underneath.

On my kar the paint under the sound deadener matched the transmission tunnel paint exactly (semi gloss black w/white overspray)

J_Speegle_old · October 5, 2007 at 6:35 PM

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Nice going Jeff; add fuel to the fire for those of us who are obsessive. Now I'm going to be crawling all over the thing poking holes in the chassis because not knowing the original primer color actually has been bugging me. The PO media blasted my car inside & out. Where do you think the most likely spot would be for original undercarriage color to survive?

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In any case I would bet your car is one of the muddy slightly shinny reddish epoxy primer cars like 98% of the early San Jose cars.

Best place .... depends on the car but over the trans is often the best spot, in front of the rearend - high up- especially if the rear end leaked.

Got to be careful on using what is used in the front of rear wheelwells as some of the plants (depending on year) used different colored primers in these locations than under the car.

Makes the search fun

BoS_old · October 6, 2007 at 6:49 AM

You guys made me curious now. Have to check the

shade of red under my 67 Shelby. The underside

has never been touched (in need of any repair)

so the original primer is still there. Will have to wait until next June as the car is in Sweden. By the way Jeff,

saw your name mentioned in a Swedish book about the

65-66 Mustang that a couple of guys from the club over there

wrote.

/Bo

b9folk_old · October 6, 2007 at 11:19 AM

Would be nice to have some sort of handheld spectrometer that could analyze the color and emissivity without cutting out chunks. Especially if it could then translate it into paint/primer mix numbers.

J_Speegle_old · October 6, 2007 at 9:14 PM

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Would be nice to have some sort of handheld spectrometer that could analyze the color and emissivity without cutting out chunks. Especially if it could then translate it into paint/primer mix numbers.

Think it would be too hard on the tools to pack them around to every yard I visit Also the cars are not generally in the best location to get under and the panels need to be cleaned well before hand. Spent 3 hours scrubbing the front wheelwells of a car last year in a yard. You would have thought the circus had come to town with all the workers and other customers pointing and taking notice of what some "nut" was wasting his time with

Instead on the more local jobs (and those I travel to) I provide the sample and the painters take the sample, have it analyzed and reproduced. Been working out pretty well. And since the types and brands of paints vary form state to state (what can or can not be purchased or sprayed) it takes care of those related problems

J_Speegle_old · October 6, 2007 at 9:26 PM

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You guys made me curious now. Have to check the

shade of red under my 67 Shelby. The underside

has never been touched (in need of any repair)

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What car number did you get?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>By the way Jeff, saw your name mentioned in a Swedish book about the 65-66 Mustang that a couple of guys from the club over there

wrote.

Yes it was kind of a surprise I helped out a little during the early years (and on bulletin boards before that) of the Internet with some questions I guess (get so many emails and phone calls) They were nice enough to bring me a copy in person to a MCA show in GA during the mid-80's they were visiting. As usual I didn't have much time to spend with them (wish I would a have) at the show..... always cars to judge and things to do

Though I can't read a word from the book the collection of pictures that collected for the book puts much of what has been published in this country to shame. Really appreciated being included in the credits

BoS_old · October 7, 2007 at 5:06 AM

Hi Jeff,

My 67 Shelby is 67402F7A01317, outboard lights with

a Z marking on the plate. Original dealer was Stockton

Quincy Ford Inc.in Westwood, Los Angeles.

I was there (35 year anniversary of the Mustang)

with those guys. Drove up from Texas.

/Bo

b9folk_old · October 7, 2007 at 10:55 AM

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Spent 3 hours scrubbing the front wheelwells of a car last year in a yard. You would have thought the circus had come to town with all the workers and other customers pointing and taking notice of what some "nut" was wasting his time with

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