'65 Windsheild washer hose? (& T)

6hypo5conv_old · August 16, 2009 at 5:07 AM

Curious as to IF '65s used a smooth OR ribbed hose for the windsheold washer hose? I recently purchased a ribbed radiator overflow hose from Dead Nuts On and have also seen that they carry a ribbed hose for the windsheild washer as well....

Also curious as to why no one has reproduced something so simple as the CLEAR "T" for the washer hose?? (Charles was kind enough to sell me a good original "T" recently)

CharlesTurner · August 16, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Yes, the original wiper washer hoses were ribbed.

bigal_old · August 16, 2009 at 10:34 AM

The Problem, now is the judges will now no these are reproduced. so they will be looking for them... its best to keep your mouth shut sometimes, or in this case the keyboard... lol

Edited by - bigal on 08/16/2009 10:35:08

CharlesTurner · August 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Hehe, well, that is partly true. Most judges will recognize that this is really a thoroughbred-type detail. I would hope that most judges would just make a comment on the sheets as an item for improvement, but not deduct for it. <img src=images/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

BoS_old · August 16, 2009 at 4:05 PM

You guys got me to check the windshield washer hose

on my 65 and it was ribbed.

/Bo

6hypo5conv_old · August 17, 2009 at 5:52 AM

BOs: Are BOTH your hoses ribbed (the washer hoses)? the shory one from the pump to the bag and the smaller diameter one from the bag to the nozzles??

6hypo5conv_old · August 17, 2009 at 5:54 AM

Charles: There was a guy over on the VMF who said HE would deduct for an incorrect overflow hose if he were to judge a car-I think he IS a judge, he didn't say if it was in Concours trailered or Thorobred though....

BoS_old · August 17, 2009 at 7:03 AM

Checked again early this morning and both (different diameters) washer hoses are ribbed. Don't remember if they are the ones that were on the car when I bought or if I replaced them after buying the car in Feb. 1988. Found a complete windshield washer set in a C5

marked box in Houston many years ago and I may have used the

hoses from that kit. Looked for the box with what's left of the kit

in it this morning but haven't found it yet.

/Bo

CharlesTurner · August 17, 2009 at 11:28 AM

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Charles: There was a guy over on the VMF who said HE would deduct for an incorrect overflow hose if he were to judge a car-I think he IS a judge, he didn't say if it was in Concours trailered or Thorobred though....

I don't look at VMF anymore, so you'll have to tell me who it is. MCA accepts the white washer T's if the corners are clipped in concours judging. I don't see how this would be any different than the ribbed washer hoses. I would like to see all the cars have the correct ribbed hose and clear washer T's, but these sorts of details are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to correctness. The best thing we can do is to add more detail as we learn new things.

CharlesTurner · August 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Not to change subjects... but does anyone know if the ribbing on these and other hoses identify the manufacturer?

C7ZZ-F_old · August 17, 2009 at 1:22 PM

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Charles: There was a guy over on the VMF who said HE would deduct for an incorrect overflow hose if he were to judge a car-I think he IS a judge, he didn't say if it was in Concours trailered or Thorobred though....

i think that was me. i was referring to the radiator overflow hose and not the washer hoses. i never deduct for washer hoses not having ribs unless it is a thoroughbred or unrestored entry. i have deducted many times for incorrect radiator overflow hoses, i.e. wrong type of hose, too thick tubing. i always look for the ribs on this hose. in these areas i would treat a concours driven entry the same as a concours trailered.

CharlesTurner · August 17, 2009 at 3:27 PM

I shoulda known it was you Fred! <img src=images/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Radiator over-flow hose is a tricky one to get right, even without the ribbing detail.

BoS_old · August 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Exactly how long should it be on a 65-66?

Thanks, Bo

kar-nut_old · August 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Why would it cost points & not just an item for improvement that is called out on the judging sheet the rules do not say a correct ribbed over-flow tube is required? See below from MCA rules.

II. Radiator, Hoses, Clamps, Lines and Fan Shroud:

Radiator: Ford type. Painted semi-gloss black with correct core thickness and black rubber over-flow tube.

Hoses: Molded rubber hose of original size and configuration. FoMoCo.

Hose Clamps: Pedestal type. 66 San Jose assembled cars may use wire type with staples. Transmission Cooling Lines: 64½ - may be crimp or pedestal type clamps.

Fan Shroud: Required on all HiPo and A/C. Painted black with rubber pad stapled to battery tray side of shroud. Flat tip shroud attaching screws.............................................................. 6 Workmanship, condition and cleanliness...............................4

jwc66k · August 17, 2009 at 6:37 PM

You have just voiced a common complaint about MCA judging and judging criteria - the use of the word 'correct' with little reference to what is in fact 'correct'. Yeah, I know, differences in assembly plants, times of the year and the grape harvest affect what was installed. A few judges have tried to address this situation but seem to get into a deep political rut. Nuff said.

Jim

CharlesTurner · August 17, 2009 at 7:27 PM

MCA tries to stress that judges are really coaches to help owners improve their cars. As Tom has pointed out in the current MCA rules, ribbed hose is not called out, specifically. That's why I mentioned that this is more of a suggestion item than a deduction item in the Concours classes. Of course, there are many details that fall into this category, which is what makes the judging process so subjective. Wish I had a better answer for this, but we are trying to make things better... and most importantly, more consistent.

J_Speegle_old · August 17, 2009 at 9:20 PM

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Exactly how long should it be on a 65-66?

Thanks, Bo

Since your likely referring to San Jose built Shelby’s - ribbed IMHO

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Not to change subjects... but does anyone know if the ribbing on these and other hoses identify the manufacturer?

Like the heater hoses I believe they did use the number of ribs to id the maker so they could deal with issues or recalls

As for what to deduct for and what gets by, there is allot of difference in interpretation especially since MCA has never tried to put everything in the rules that can be deducted for or wrong(been told over and over that we can't fit everything there so my understanding for 25 or so years is that we have never tied the hands of the judges or limited them to just what is on the judges sheets. We want and need each judges experiences and knowledge to help better the hobby, to improve art of restoring while maintaining the value of the awards given out by the organization.

If we do not stress the importance of getting the right parts we cannot get reproducers to make correct parts or improve the sub standard ones (one of the reason I made original examples available to Jack to produce the over flow hoses)

I for one would (and have) deducted for the hoses since correct is right IMHO and not a concours verses Thoroughbred mindset. I see little difference between the ribs on hoses and (for example) the ink numbers on radiator hoses and deductions IMHO would fit the definition as outlined in the rules that read

“Reproduction parts are acceptable for restoration as long as they fit, look and function like the original OEM parts “

But these differences on interpretation and outlook are some of the reason’s I believe Charles changed this year’s judges meeting to focus on.

6hypo5conv_old · August 18, 2009 at 5:31 AM

Charles, Acording to jack's website info you are correct that the ribbs are manufacturer unique, Jack says that he put together MANY samples from various known original cars and reproduced the most common hose--which, in this case I think was the wise thing to do.

He tells me they will have kits available next year for all years of Mustangs with the correct ribbed hoses and he is going to try very hard to reproduce the correct CLEAR "T" as well.

My hat is off to Jack for all his efforts on these hoses!

CharlesTurner · August 18, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Thanks for sharing this Rick. Turned out to be an interesting discussion!

BoS_old · August 18, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Yesterday, I ordered the Radiator overflow hose and

the choke cable tubing from Jack. Talked to him for quite

a while and he is a really nice guy. He told me that the

windshield washer hoses are supposed to be ribbed but it's much too expensive to get the thinner short hose reproduced.

/Bo

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