Rear Brake Hose/Mount-1964 Production

club 33_old · August 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Please take a look at your HiPo Mustang's Rear Brake Hose and mount if your car was scheduled to be produced in 1964, particularly September of '64 and earlier.

Normally, the dual exhaust equipped cars are assumed to have the "L" Bracket mount for the rear brake hose for "clearance" with the factory dual exhaust. (Please note that the earlier cars do not even have an indentation in the floor pan for the location of the bracket.) Along with this, of course, is the brake hose itself with a bracket.

Anyway, the earlier production cars have the rear brake hose mount normally considered to be only on the single exhaust cars, but I'm not sure which brake hose these particular cars used.

If you have an earlier car, please take a look. The hose, of course, may have been changed over the years, but the bracket usually would not have been. I am trying to determine when the bracket change was made and which brake hose was used on these earlier cars.

The image shown here is of a Dearborn produced HiPo Convertible with a scheduled build date of August 10, 1964. BTW, this car was, of course, originally equipped with the early transverse dual exhaust system also.

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Edited by - club 33 on 08/19/2009 10:29:51

RalphJr · August 19, 2009 at 10:55 AM

I am sure this was a running change by Ford as they changed the exhaust styles during production.

My guess is that the early cars with the transverse muffler system didn't have the exhaust pipe / brake hose interference like the later cars with the dual muffler system - so the relocated brake hose wasn't required at first.

My logic anyway........

club 33_old · August 19, 2009 at 11:17 AM

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I am sure this was a running change by Ford as they changed the exhaust styles during production.

My guess is that the early cars with the transverse muffler system didn't have the exhaust pipe / brake hose interference like the later cars with the dual muffler system - so the relocated brake hose wasn't required at first.

My logic anyway........

I think that you are 100% correct. I'm just trying to determine when the change may have been made, and, more importantly, which brake hose was originally used with the early set up.

RalphJr · August 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Good points - sorry I missed that.

I have never seen the early cars up close enough to help with this detail. My car is a spring '65 K code right after the switch from Arvinode to regular dual mufflers.

I would assume you could use the exhaust chnage over dates as a rough time line for the brake hose changes too.

You might ask Fred if any of his Ford books show anything about a change to the rear brake hose sometime in summer or fall of '64 when Ford would have changed from the transverse system to the more conventional dual muffler system.

I would think that the hose might be the same for all K codes since the impact really is on the axle side - but that is just a guess.

I am sure somebody here will have a good answer.

C6ZZKGT · August 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM Official Post

Brant, I concur with Ralph on the hose for a Hipo being the same regardless of production date. The 1965 only bound Ford parts catalog lists a C5ZZ 2282 D for this application as does the later loose leaf Ford parts catalog. I agree that the location where the hose mounts to the body would not matter to the part number as much as to where it mounts to the rear end housing.

-Fred-

club 33_old · August 19, 2009 at 1:14 PM

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Brant, I concur with Ralph on the hose for a Hipo being the same regardless of production date. The 1965 only bound Ford parts catalog lists a C5ZZ 2282 D for this application as does the later loose leaf Ford parts catalog. I agree that the location where the hose mounts to the body would not matter to the part number as much as to where it mounts to the rear end housing.

-Fred-

Thanks to both of you for the responses. Yes, Fred, I noticed that the Ford Parts Catalog does not list a different hose for the earlier cars. For that reason, I was going to just go with the "D" hose.

All that said, it would just be interesting to learn of some original production examples. ...always curious about this stuff.

CharlesTurner · August 19, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Brant: I have an undercarriage pic of 5F07K261914, which should have been early enough to have the transverse system. The pic shows the brake hose bracket off to the side, not near the tunnel like yours. It also shows a normal dual exhaust rear brake hose. The car has had some restoration work on it, so can't say with 100% certainty that this is the original configuration.

Hard to tell in your pic, but are there 2 indents where the bracket would be typically located on the unibody? They are usually perpendicular to each other, used as a locating spot for the bracket.

club 33_old · August 19, 2009 at 4:45 PM

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Hard to tell in your pic, but are there 2 indents where the bracket would be typically located on the unibody? They are usually perpendicular to each other, used as a locating spot for the bracket.

Charles,

No. There are no indents for the bracket on my car. Like you say, it is difficult to tell in my picture, especially since there are a few holes drilled right there (not factory.) I've seen several earlier cars that were "smooth" here.

Thanks,

Brant

cobraboy · August 21, 2009 at 2:30 AM

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Brant: I have an undercarriage pic of 5F07K261914, which should have been early enough to have the transverse system. The pic shows the brake hose bracket off to the side, not near the tunnel like yours. It also shows a normal dual exhaust rear brake hose. The car has had some restoration work on it, so can't say with 100% certainty that this is the original configuration.

Hard to tell in your pic, but are there 2 indents where the bracket would be typically located on the unibody? They are usually perpendicular to each other, used as a locating spot for the bracket.

Charles

Any chance you could put up that pic showing how a HiPo hose fits to the rear end ?

Thanks

CharlesTurner · August 21, 2009 at 6:48 AM

Here's a typical example of the rear brake line attachment at the rear of the car:

http://www.early-mustang.com/charles/K_vert…13_05%20014.jpg

Here's a pic of an original brake hose/lines on the rear. Sorry it's so grubby!

http://www.early-mustang.com/charles/K_vert…13_05%20025.jpg

cobraboy · August 21, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Charles

That pic is very useful. Someone has replaced the flexible hose on my car with a single exhaust one. It is a job to make out but am I right in thinking that the bracket on the correct hose is held by the axle breather fitting? and if so is there any other fittings to go under the hose bracket apart from the breather fitting to secure it?

Thanks Mark

Edited by - cobraboy on 08/21/2009 13:55:43

RPM_old · August 21, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Who makes a accurate replacement brake hose or is there such a thing for the early car?

CharlesTurner · August 21, 2009 at 8:42 PM

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Charles

That pic is very useful. Someone has replaced the flexible hose on my car with a single exhaust one. It is a job to make out but am I right in thinking that the bracket on the correct hose is held by the axle breather fitting? and if so is there any other fittings to go under the hose bracket apart from the breather fitting to secure it?

Yes, the brake hose is attached via the breather tube. Don't forget the tooth washer that is typically seen between the fitting and the brake hose bracket. There is nothing underneath the bracket.

cobraboy · August 22, 2009 at 1:18 AM

Thank you Charles, great help.

When I replace my single exhaust flex hose with the correct one I will have the early hose going spare if anyone wants it. It is not very old by the look of it.

Mark

chucks302 · May 31, 2011 at 5:07 PM

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Please take a look at your HiPo Mustang's Rear Brake Hose and mount if your car was scheduled to be produced in 1964, particularly September of '64 and earlier.

Normally, the dual exhaust equipped cars are assumed to have the "L" Bracket mount for the rear brake hose for "clearance" with the factory dual exhaust. (Please note that the earlier cars do not even have an indentation in the floor pan for the location of the bracket.) Along with this, of course, is the brake hose itself with a bracket. Hello Brant, i will be e mail you pictures and info of my early 64.5 K coupe reaqr brake hose brackets and related rear frame rail plates , regards chuck.

Anyway, the earlier production cars have the rear brake hose mount normally considered to be only on the single exhaust cars, but I'm not sure which brake hose these particular cars used.

If you have an earlier car, please take a look. The hose, of course, may have been changed over the years, but the bracket usually would not have been. I am trying to determine when the bracket change was made and which brake hose was used on these earlier cars.

The image shown here is of a Dearborn produced HiPo Convertible with a scheduled build date of August 10, 1964. BTW, this car was, of course, originally equipped with the early transverse dual exhaust system also.

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Edited by - club 33 on 08/19/2009 10:29:51

chucks302 · May 31, 2011 at 7:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Brent, i will e mail you pictures of my june 64 built K coupe rear brake hose brackets & frame rail area, feel free to post the pictures on the site, chuck.

Please take a look at your HiPo Mustang's Rear Brake Hose and mount if your car was scheduled to be produced in 1964, particularly September of '64 and earlier.

Normally, the dual exhaust equipped cars are assumed to have the "L" Bracket mount for the rear brake hose for "clearance" with the factory dual exhaust. (Please note that the earlier cars do not even have an indentation in the floor pan for the location of the bracket.) Along with this, of course, is the brake hose itself with a bracket.

Anyway, the earlier production cars have the rear brake hose mount normally considered to be only on the single exhaust cars, but I'm not sure which brake hose these particular cars used.

If you have an earlier car, please take a look. The hose, of course, may have been changed over the years, but the bracket usually would not have been. I am trying to determine when the bracket change was made and which brake hose was used on these earlier cars.

The image shown here is of a Dearborn produced HiPo Convertible with a scheduled build date of August 10, 1964. BTW, this car was, of course, originally equipped with the early transverse dual exhaust system also.

[Blocked Image: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_FhFCoO_tIME/SowVaLYEGwI/AAAAAAAAHLM/PYw-AsB-uSI/s800/DSCN8613a.jpg]

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Edited by - club 33 on 08/19/2009 10:29:51

C6ZZKGT · May 31, 2011 at 8:32 PM Official Post

Brent, as an addendum to this post, I am restoring a 66 Hipo fastback C4 Kar that has both rear brake hose brackets present and it utilizes the normal dual exhaust brake line setup. It is a Dearborn Kar with a California 71 DSO.

-Fred-

chucks302 · May 31, 2011 at 9:16 PM

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Brent, as an addendum to this post, I am restoring a 66 Hipo fastback C4 Kar that has both rear brake hose brackets present and it utilizes the normal dual exhaust brake line setup. It is a Dearborn Kar with a California 71 DSO.

-Fred-

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>Hi fred, my 64.5 K coupe has two brackets also ,i e- mailed them to brent earlier this evening perhaps he could post them for me as i have not had luck in getting pictures on the site, chuck.

FXguy_old · June 4, 2011 at 12:05 AM

Hey Brant, sent you the pic by email of the brake hose bracket on my first week June 64 scheduled build K vert. Please feel free to post here.

-Scott

chucks302 · June 4, 2011 at 10:29 PM

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Hey Brant, sent you the pic by email of the brake hose bracket on my first week June 64 scheduled build K vert. Please feel free to post here.

-Scott

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>Hello Scott, my K coupe has a June 8th 64 biuld date with two rear brake hose mount brackets, we could e mail each other pics for reference, regards chuck. jjz109@msn.com

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