Starter motor Auto/Man difference?

mick65K_old · September 7, 2006 at 4:50 AM

When I bought my K, the seller had 3 starter motors & wasn't sure which one came with Kar so he gave me the 'best' one of the lot.

Just had it re-built yesterday & found out today that it may not be for a manual transmission (Toploader). Can someone please tell me how to tell the difference between a starter for an auto & manual? The nose has a C3---- number, the body has a C7---- number, it has 9 teeth & 2 mounting bolt holes.

Sorry I can't give the exact numbers cause I left it at work.

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Edited by - mick65K on 09/15/2006 03:06:35

Edited by - mick65K on 09/21/2006 06:42:17

Beagle1_old · September 7, 2006 at 7:45 AM

Should be no difference in Ford Small Block starters manual vs. auto.

66KGT_old · September 7, 2006 at 9:22 AM

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Should be no difference in Ford Small Block starters manual vs. auto.

I believe the nose piece is different, is it not?

Beagle1_old · September 7, 2006 at 10:03 AM

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Should be no difference in Ford Small Block starters manual vs. auto.

I believe the nose piece is different, is it not?

I think you're right for back then. After 1979 I think they are the same. No big deal though, just change the nose cones.

mick65K_old · September 7, 2006 at 5:47 PM

OK - part No. on nose is C30F 11131 A is this the correct one for a manual gearbox?

Joe6pack_old · September 17, 2006 at 9:08 PM

OK. Here's the deal. The snout is different between a manual and automatic car. One is shorter than the other, but I do not recall which. As I recall, the parts books that all of the retailer use (Autozone, NAPA, Advace, etc.) are reversed. That is, what they say is for an auto is actually for a manual and vice versa. I just went through this recently. Maybe someone can pipe in with which one is correct. You might also do a search on vintage-mustang.com. Hope this helps.

66KGT_old · September 17, 2006 at 11:16 PM

Based on my experience the manual snout should be the longer of the two. Parts house manual starters always have the short snout which will work till it eats up the ring gear. If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

mick65K_old · September 21, 2006 at 6:38 AM

Thanks to all for your help & advice - my starter has the longer snout(apparently) & I've been told by our local Guru, Mike O'Sullivan, that there is a 5mm difference so I've had a 5mm spacer milled out of aluminium to cover it either way. Apparently Mike says Ford used to sell these spacers early in the 60's & I,ve seen a sketchy image of one in an exploded view. Anyway, I'll check it when I install it(still a way off yet - trying to build a house as well).

cchesley_old · September 21, 2006 at 8:09 PM

I have always ordered my starters from John's Mustangs in Houston. They are always the right one.

67kcodeGT_old · September 22, 2006 at 4:44 AM

The nose is also differant with the bigger clutch that hipo has,the same is true for a Boss 302 starter.

Greg

65gt_old · September 22, 2006 at 1:23 PM

Here's the one that worked on my '65 before rebuilding.

C30F 11131 A

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mick65K_old · September 23, 2006 at 5:24 PM

Thanks for that Steve - C30F 11131 A is the same as what mine is so if the ring gear was OK on yours, I'll try it without the spacer. Really appreciate the help.

CB01 · December 31, 2006 at 11:17 PM

I'm w/ Joe6...went through the same deal. Bought your average crap parts-store reman starter for a manual trans, which didn't work. Swapped it for an auto trans starter from same store (AutoZone, but I imagine most all the common stores get their parts from the same manufacturers). I believe the auto starter had a longer snout. If you line the manual and auto starters up next to each other the longer snout is easier to see.

tony289k_old · January 17, 2007 at 5:46 AM

Hi Mick,

If it helps, I live in Wollongong and you're welcome to come over, we'll remove mine and place them side by side. Distance permitting of course.

Cheers, Tony

P.S. the Beer fridge is in the garage too.

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