GT verification revisited

round2K_old · January 11, 2010 at 6:36 PM

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Oddly enough, Just about every 65-66 K code I see for sale has all the GT trimmings on it.

With only 4% of these being true GT's this is a little misleading.

The GT clones are abundant; it is refreshing to find a non-GT car at a show. Just like styled steel wheels; there are a lot more of them on cars than were ever delivered by Ford.

66gtk · January 11, 2010 at 6:39 PM

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With only 4% of these being true GT's this is a little misleading.

How do you extrapolate that data? Where is it published that only 4% of K codes were GTs?

jeller68 · January 11, 2010 at 6:58 PM

It was posted here on another topic. I will try and find it.

J_Speegle_old · January 11, 2010 at 10:37 PM

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And Jeff, would you help us with those things you understand should NOT be there? Thanks.<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

You realize that by establishing a list publicly, your providing the information needed for person who wishes to fake one. Kind of like providing all the details we use to determine a rebodied or faked Shelby.

Of course the really good ones already know all or most. Its the backyard guys that this would really help

Just a thought

cobraboy · January 12, 2010 at 1:56 AM

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And Jeff, would you help us with those things you understand should NOT be there? Thanks.<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

You realize that by establishing a list publicly, your providing the information needed for person who wishes to fake one. Kind of like providing all the details we use to determine a rebodied or faked Shelby.

Of course the really good ones already know all or most. Its the backyard guys that this would really help

Just a thought

Hmmm, I thought the same a while after my earlier post, maybe it would be a mistake to make the info too readily available.

It sure is a concern with all these high quality repro parts that are starting to appear like axle bumper plates etc, that every mustang ever built will now become a GT.

I have been trying to prove mine is not, just for my own peace of mind.

I think I am ok so far but will ask via PMs for any tricky areas I come across.

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jeller68 · January 12, 2010 at 7:19 AM

Here's your source

http://www.midcomustang.com/mustanghipo.shtml

mcfly_old · January 12, 2010 at 8:14 AM

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And Jeff, would you help us with those things you understand should NOT be there? Thanks.<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

You realize that by establishing a list publicly, your providing the information needed for person who wishes to fake one. Kind of like providing all the details we use to determine a rebodied or faked Shelby.

Of course the really good ones already know all or most. Its the backyard guys that this would really help

Just a thought

Hmmm, I thought the same a while after my earlier post, maybe it would be a mistake to make the info too readily available.

I have been trying to prove mine is not, just for my own peace of mind.

I have been thinking this way lately also.

Recently I posted some Pics of the crush tubes on VMF.About an hour later I pulled the pics for this reason.

I do not have any paper work stating my car was a GT but all the signs and parts are there along with the word of a very trustworthy P.O. but lately I have been wondering If it would be better to have such a highly optioned non-GT.

MIKE

zray · January 12, 2010 at 9:58 AM

any knowledge can be used for good or evil.

I do agree that maybe the internet is not the best place for ALL the details to be revealed. To those who need to know so they don't get ripped off, get in tight with your local Mustang club. You will find someone in the know that will steer you in the right direction.

Z. Ray

66gtk · January 12, 2010 at 10:17 AM

When I flew out for delivery of my K code, I had the dealer (extremely well respected) do an extensive verification, walk around on video camera highlighting all the features of the GT equipment, K code package, and pony interior package. It's fascinating to watch, and I hope to convert it to digital soon as my VHS copy is deteriorating. This was in 1994, and he stated on camera on several occasions that I had the original engine in my car, as well as the car being a factory GT. The price was reflective of these statements. Of course I don't have a build sheet, buck tag (Dearborn car), or original window sticker. Therefore, I need resources like the ones requested above to back up these claims to accurately present my car. Others who are purchasing a car like mine right now also need these details to make sure they are buying what they think they are buying.

So far, I've not been able to disprove the factory GT status of my car with all the info I am aware of out there to help such determination. I also cannot prove that it is a factory GT. Of course it helps that I have original GT parts still on my car such as Gas cap, fog lights, fog switch and wiring. Still, these could have been swapped from another car any number of years ago. Any other information regarding GT verification checklists would be very helpful, if it were available.

As a related note: Would anybody else like to join me in the confusion on the whole punched vs drilled radiator support debate?

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66gtk · January 12, 2010 at 10:44 AM

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Oddly enough, Just about every 65-66 K code I see for sale has all the GT trimmings on it.

With only 4% of these being true GT's this is a little misleading.

Apples and oranges again.

The marketing figures for GTs in 1965 are 2.7 percent which comes out to about 18,000 cars. The combined "A" and "K" code totals are about 102,000 of which you may consider half the "A" and "K" code cars to have been built before the GT option was introduced. That comes out to about 35 percent of "A" and "K" code 1965 Mustangs could have the GT option, or about 36,000 Mustangs.

For 1966, the combined "A" and "K" code engines would be about 67,600 and 4.2 percent of that is about 28,400 cars with the GT option.

My percentages are rough and are derived from page 316 of "The Mustang Production Guide, vol 1", and the math was done on a TI pocket caculator, while drinking a glass of 2005 Robert Mondavi Private Selection Cabernet Sauvignon while waiting for the dishwasher to finish.

Jim

I tried to wrap my head around all this production numbers guessing more than 2 years ago -

http://www.hipomustang.com/hpmx/topic.asp…erms=production

and another old thread....

http://www.hipomustang.com/hpmx/topic.asp…ue&TOPIC_ID=898

supershifter2 · April 5, 2010 at 8:10 PM

beginning in 1973 i have owned 3-65 fastback gt with stanidard interior , 3-66 fastback gt all 3 with pony interior , all those cars were 4 speed. i owned 2-66 notchback non-gt "C" codes one came with 3 speed stick the other with a 4 speed. in 1974 i bought a complete 65 fastback gt "K" body. The guy blode the hipo 289 engine up real bad the block was busted and he didnt want to let the 4 speed go. ALL my gt cars had the holes in the back frame rails for the tailpipe hangers BUT i never paid no attention to crush tubes back there until reading about it here. i knew the frame for the steering box and idler arm had tubes for the bolts. i stuck my finger in the hole the other day this "K" car and my other 65 fastback gt "A" code have tubes in the rear frame rails. i dont see how anyone could put them in the frame unless he took the frame off or took the trunk floors out cause how you gonna gitta drill in there ? there aint no room. all my cars were bought in jackson missippi during the 70's. there were so many 65-66 fastback mustangs back then in jackson and mccomb missippi. i knew probably 15 or 20 people that had 65-66 hipo 289 cars. i could have bought another 65 fastback body for $300 but i didnt cause i considered that way too high since i only paid $125 for mine in 74. the MOST i paid for any a my mustangs was what i consisderd a whopping $900 for a yellow 65 gt with black stripes and black interior , air , power steering spinner hucaps and it was mint and the lady had bought it new. i found a 69 428 4 speed fastback with the lowbuck interior for $75.00 sittin in a front yard out on a rural back road east of mccomb in the late 70's. b 4 i could git back out there to git it a so called friend that was with me told a friend of his who told a guy i knew that had a 69 mach 1 and he went that night and bought it !!!!! i dont know about 65-66 gt production numbers but there were lots of those cars and with the fog lamps,side stripes,side lettering, trumpet louvered exhaust i could spot them a mile away especially the silvergrey 65 w/black stripes and the 66 silvergrey w/black stripes and this inclides notchbacks and convertables. my dad also owned a raven black 65 fastback gt and a 69 boss 302 he bought aroung the mid 70's. the "K" fastback gt body i have now was stored in missippi at my dads and then my aunts until i went and brought it back to califirnia a couple a months ago. i repainted the inside floorboards and trunk and engine compartment during the 70's. the interior was used by my dad and brother and someone took my rear valence and swapped the perfect hood for a bondo hood. i cant complain cause my dad never charged my storage to keep it ender a sheed for the last 35 or so years. the "K" gt "HAD" standard black interior poppy red outside w/black stripes. and as i remember all my 65 cars had pot metal gt badges and the 66 were plastic. as for the poppy red , a guy i knew had a non gt 65 fastback that was poppy red and then there is my car and i knew another guy that had a wrecked in the front 65 fastback that was poopy red. i'm gonna paint my 65 k back poppy red with white stripes over the top and am gonna leave the side stripes off. interior will be black again. 5F09K677490

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supershifter2 · April 5, 2010 at 8:36 PM

i might have missed sum mispelled words in the above post !

dunc289_old · April 7, 2010 at 9:10 AM

no worries, mate, finger farts happen before we can stop hitting the send button, oh well, <img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

supershifter2 · April 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM

just come back from helping a freind recarpet his 65 fastback GT. its an A code his dad bought new and gave it to him years ago. pulled the rear seat out and it aint got the reinforcement plates where the muffler hangers are. i asked if i colud look the car over and look underneath. i has the crush tubes in the rear frame rail. it has the same foglight wiring harness as my 65 gt's one hole in the core support on the drivers side thats big and has the headlight harness size plastic bushing. the foglight wire is in the light harness and the parkin and tail lights come on with the fog. i asked if i could pull his 5 gauge panel and he said ok if i changed some bulbs and it has the factory rolled simi-circle on the bottom of the dash for the round speedo clearence. everything is as a 65 gt shoild be except the reinforcement plates. he's in his fiftys and hasent a clue about mechanics and doesnt care that the car is a GT and is gonna give it to his son one day. so the lack of those plates is a factory boo boo. the door tag is there and the build month is "S". the old looking door plate vin matches the fenderwell vin. it has standard interior. i read somewere else that a GT somebody has doesnt have the reinforcement plates. so i guess not every factory A code is gonna have them or k code.btw my frfiend is 50 something and i am 52 years of age physically but mentally i dont know !

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CharlesTurner · April 14, 2010 at 9:53 PM

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just come back from helping a freind recarpet his 65 fastback GT. its an A code his dad bought new and gave it to him years ago. pulled the rear seat out and it aint got the reinforcement plates where the muffler hangers are. i asked if i colud look the car over and look underneath. i has the crush tubes in the rear frame rail. it has the same foglight wiring harness as my 65 gt's but no holes in the core support but it does have the foglight wire in the light harness and the parkin and tail light come on with the fog.

What type snubber plate is under it?

supershifter2 · April 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM

dont know what kinda snubber plate ,didnt look and wasnt going to crawl under the car but its a jinuwine gt. its not a "K" but an "A" with the 225 horse 4V enjin !

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supershifter2 · April 14, 2010 at 10:03 PM

it also has the metal GT badges on the fenders like all my 65's did. all my 66 gt cars had plastic badges. when i sold my other 65 gt cars years ago i kept the metal badges and i still got them and some more metal ones out fo junk yards back in the 70's and early 80's or thereabouts. if i had known way back then we would be discussing this on a thing called the internet i would have kept all kinds of documentation.

66gtk · April 15, 2010 at 7:51 AM

Maybe the car has some floor work/rust replacement?

CharlesTurner · April 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM

It wouldn't be the first time we've seen something like this, but just so you know, the car was supposed to have the reinforcement places in the rear seat area and also have a square corner snubber plate. 65-66 GT A codes had the same rear build-up as a K code, since dual exhaust was a requirement.

supershifter2 · April 15, 2010 at 6:15 PM

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Maybe the car has some floor work/rust replacement?

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>i just talked to the guy cause he wants me to do some major mechanic work on the car. hes never done anyhing to the body except a paint job b 4 i met him about 20 years ago and the carpet i helped him with the other day. i'v never seen him drive it and right now it aint got a battery. got 68000 original miles. i'll get to see the snubber but he says its as his dad bought it new. told me he wants to repaint it again. told me it had side stripes but he didnt like them and didnt have them put back on. still has the mustnag fender letters and gt badges. he had the exhaust replaced with plain pipes through the rear valence holes some years sgo but it looks rotten. the muffler shop used parts of the factory dual hangers. i tooks like the rear main seal on the engine is leaking and he said the p/s squeeled and leaked. the p valve has brake fliud seeping. i want him to switch to a dual masa cyl. real clean straight car hes gona give to his son when he turns 18 in august.

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