K Engine Build

GregM_old · January 30, 2011 at 4:51 PM

I would like to build a correct engine for my car. I am not opposed to going to the aftermarket for some items for the build but want to stay true to the Kar.

Here's what I have so far collected. Standard bore block,Hipo main caps, timing cover, unmolested hipo heads, hatchet weight,correct flywheel and Hipo balancer. I will call Marv for the LeMans cam and lifters.

Looking for advice on what parts / part#s everyone has used when faced with my situation of not having a complete motor.

So what to do about

crankshaft

rocker arms

timing gears

timing chain

rods

pistons

fuel pump

Thanks

supershifter2 · January 31, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Boss 302 rods are the same length with the same football head bolt and are easy to find. i saw a nos set several months ago for $200.00. i didnt buy them and they were at an auto swap meet.

GregM_old · February 1, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Are these the correct parts ?

CLOYES C358 Hipo Narrow Timing Chain

CLOYES S351 Hipo Narrow Chain Crank Sprocket w/Hatchet Pin Hole

CLOYES S350 Hipo Cam Sprocket

or this one ?

CLOYES S406T Top Cam Gear w/integrated Hub Stop (later)

GregM_old · February 8, 2011 at 4:44 PM

The two different type gears came in and the timing chain

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So which gear is correct for a 65 hi po block ?

markforsythe_old · February 8, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Quoted from zray on another forum...

GEAR HISTORY

CAM GEARS

S350 does not have the HUB STOP – you will need the cam washer

S372T replaced S350 – has HUB STOP molded in – this part was only produced briefly.

S406T replaced S372T – has HUB STOP molded in and uses 1 pc fuel eccentric.

S430T can be used with the later 2 piece fuel eccentric and a longer drive pin.

GregM_old · March 14, 2011 at 1:32 PM

Here's what I have so far.............

Block Hipo block with hipo caps

Heads Hipo heads maybe a mild portting to be done....

crankshaft Lemans cam

Balancer Hipo balancer

Have the Hatchet weight

rocker arms ???

timing gears correct Hipo timing set

timing chain correct Hipo chain

rods ???

pistons ???

fuel pump ???

Carburator Holley 715cfm

Intake still looking for a F4b or a Cobra intake

Which tri y's to use ????

RalphJr · March 14, 2011 at 7:38 PM

The CAM GEAR history originated here on the HiPo site...with me I think...at least it looks like what I posted a while back. But zray may have posted it too - he is a very good source for info.

I was able to collect this info from a very nice Cloyes Engineer I spoke to about 5 years ago - and visual experience with several dozen small block Fords 289s and 302s over many years.

If you need more details I still have my notes - send me an email and I'll answer any questions you might have about what works with what.

You can make any of them work - just have to collect up all the right pieces - it is more than just the cam gear unfortunately in some cases.

To directly answer your question - BOTH are actually correct - but it depends upon when your motor was built and which cam retainer/space you have.

The flat gear is correct for early motors - thru Ford Rev Level L7 or L8 - these were built up to about May '65. The gear with the molded spacer was used after that.

I hope this helps.

Edited by - RalphJr on 03/14/2011 19:45:12

zray · March 14, 2011 at 8:46 PM

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The CAM GEAR history originated here on the HiPo site...with me I think...at least it looks like what I posted a while back. But zray may have posted it too - he is a very good source for info..........."

very kind comment, but I probably "stole" that info from your own post & posted it elsewhere without giving you due credit.

Z.

zray · March 14, 2011 at 8:52 PM

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I would like to build a correct engine for my car. I am not opposed to going to the aftermarket for some items for the build but want to stay true .........."

So what to do about

crankshaft

rocker arms

timing gears

timing chain

rods

pistons

fuel pump

Thanks

please give due consideration to using NEW crank, rods, and pistons. In other words all new rotating assembly. You can source all the above thru a supplier like summit.com at reasonable prices and will end up with an engine that is still true to the K code spirit. Plus you can rev it to the redline without undue worry.

Z.

zray · March 16, 2011 at 9:28 AM

For example:

Eagle ESP H-Beam Connecting Rods

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ESP-5155F3D/

Keith Black ICON FHR Series Pistons

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/UEM-IC9924-030/

Z.

supershifter2 · March 29, 2011 at 11:46 PM

i just found out Crower makes a con rod called "sportsman" for the 289. its a forged rod and available with or without through bolts and with pressed pin or busned pin. uses 289 bearings and pistons.

Edited by - stickshift on 03/29/2011 23:47:38

dunc289_old · March 30, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Z-ray, those rods and pistons look awesome and temp me to use them in my Comp 289 Cobra engine. 750 hp/7500rpm rating sounds pretty durable anyone you kknow have experience with them? Regards.<img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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