Fuel pump rebuilding

  • Thanks Fred, I replied to your PM.


    I can never seem to get emails to work on the forum which is why I always send both. Seems every email I send gets kicked back as undeliverable but at least that displays their email address so I can re-email if necessary.


    Dave

    Dave
    6S1757

  • Dave, I have had the same problem with forum emails however I just forward them to the email address that shows in the failure notice and everything works out fine.

    -Fred-

    65 Koupe early San Jose Phoenician Yellow 4 speed
    66 GT Koupe Dearborn Blue 4 speed
    66 KGT San Jose fastback pony interior Silver Frost 4 speed
    64 Falcon sedan delivery 289 4 speed
    65 Ranchero 289 4 speed
    66 Corvette roadster 427/425 4 speed

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    They do end up with some marks around the area of the tin where they are crimped. This happens when they are disassembled and after plating and reassembly they are not that bad but will still show to some degree.

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    Fred, can you up a pic or two or three of the completed pumps? Not that it really matters but I'd like to see the marks...

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    Merlyn, I just sent you pictures of the 66 style that is done.

    -Fred-

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    Fred, can you please post those pics on the forum? I'm interested in seeing the results as well.


    Thanks,

    Dave

    Dave
    6S1757

  • Fred...I have a 4201S in need of rebuilding...and likely a few more. See my recent email to you...Thanks...Bob<img src=images/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

    • Official Post

    I wish to thank everyone who have already sent their fuel pumps to me for the rebuilding process. The rebuilder requires a minimum of 50 pumps to make it worth their time to setup and do these pumps. They are doing this as a special deal for my core supplier who helped set this up. I have no problem coming up with the 50 cores with the inclusion of those already sent to me. I do not wish to hold up this process any further for those who have already stepped up so if you wish to have your crimped together fuel pumps rebuilt, now is the time. I am setting a cutoff date of July 1,2008 for getting your cores to me. Due to the relatively low response, this will probably be the only rebuilding run.

    -Fred-

    65 Koupe early San Jose Phoenician Yellow 4 speed
    66 GT Koupe Dearborn Blue 4 speed
    66 KGT San Jose fastback pony interior Silver Frost 4 speed
    64 Falcon sedan delivery 289 4 speed
    65 Ranchero 289 4 speed
    66 Corvette roadster 427/425 4 speed

  • Fred,


    Are these rebuilds single to dual spring conversions? I have a 4193S canister style that is single spring. When the rebuild is complete, will it be a dual spring internal?


    Craig

  • Craig, these rebuilds are back to whatever you send in as a core. There are no immediate plans to make upgrades to dual springs as I am unsure of the availability of the necessary parts for the conversion.

    -Fred-

    65 Koupe early San Jose Phoenician Yellow 4 speed
    66 GT Koupe Dearborn Blue 4 speed
    66 KGT San Jose fastback pony interior Silver Frost 4 speed
    64 Falcon sedan delivery 289 4 speed
    65 Ranchero 289 4 speed
    66 Corvette roadster 427/425 4 speed

    • Official Post

    I have a fuel pump here for rebuilding that belongs to Paul Calvesi. I have no contact information for him. If Paul or someone who knows him reads this, please have Paul contact me.

    -Fred-

    65 Koupe early San Jose Phoenician Yellow 4 speed
    66 GT Koupe Dearborn Blue 4 speed
    66 KGT San Jose fastback pony interior Silver Frost 4 speed
    64 Falcon sedan delivery 289 4 speed
    65 Ranchero 289 4 speed
    66 Corvette roadster 427/425 4 speed

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    Fred, Are the pumps ready to be shipped back now?

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    I was beginning to wonder about that myself...

  • This is a long story so buckle up and bring a snack with you as you read this. Here is the latest update on the fuel pumps. I had given a July 1 cutoff date for people to send their pumps in especially to accomodate those that had already stepped up. That prompted a fair number of people to realize that the time had come for this to finally take place. I had a number of stragglers which finally was completed last week. I have studied the sample pumps that I already had done by the rebuilder and I came up with improvements to their methods. The rebuilder is more of a mass production place and some of their methods do not sit well with me for what I feel is necessary to keep these pumps in their proper cosmetic condition. For one the pivot pin for the lever was being removed by drilling a hole on the opposite side, driving it out and filling the hole when completed. I figured out how to get these pins out without drilling holes or any modifications. I have already removed all of the pins and levers. The second item that I did not like was that their cleaning method for the cast body is too harsh so I am going to do that part myself. The new order of getting things done is as follows. All pumps are cataloged by customer name, pump part number (3939-S etc.), date code and Carter or CARbureTER marking. They are also given a unique engraved number on the gasket surface and fuel inlet nipple to make sure that all parts are returned to their respective owners. All levers and pins are removed. The pumps then go to the rebuilder to have them disassembled. I then get them back to do the cleaning of the cast bodies and the plating of the tin parts. The rebuilder then gets them back to reassemble. The original deal that I made with the rebuilder was a promise of 50 units. So far including the ones of my own, I have come up with 37 pumps. I, of course, never worried about coming up with the remaining ones as my core supplier assured me that they could supply them. I knew that it was a four hour round trip to the core supplier so I was able to block out last Thursday to make the trip. This four hour trip ended up taking me all day. The core supplier is involved in the purchase, sales and trading of rebuildable automotive cores. This includes any type of pump, shaft, electrical motor, turbos, brain boxes, fuel injection, carburetors and any rebuildable aurtomotive item that you can imagine. Situated on 11 acres, with nearly 300,000 square feet of warehouse space, their inventory contains over 5 million cores from the Model T through current models, both foreign and domestic; from common to exotic. They have close to 100 employees and have so many fork lifts that they have their own maintainence shop on the premises just to keep them going. They have a couple of people that I saw that do nothing but walk around with a broom and dust pan sweeping up all day. This is probably one of the largest automotive core suppliers in the world. I went out there with the idea that I probably did not bring enough money to purchase all of the fuel pump cores that they had. A lot of their cores are in huge cardboard bins that are almost the size of a restaurant booth. You could live in one of these if it was empty. They brought these to me with a fork lift along with an empty one so that I could transfer all of the pumps from one bin to another in my search for the prize pumps. I literally moved a couple of thousand fuel pumps in my quest. It was over 90 degrees in the building and I probably lost five pounds in the process. I came up with a total of ZERO pumps that I could use. I called the rebuilder on Friday to give them the news but my contact was out at the time. They have not as yet returned my call but I have no doubt that they will still do the lesser amount of pumps that I now have as they did call me a couple of months ago just to see how things were going. My tentative plan is to take them what I have on Tuesday for disassembly.

    -Fred-

    65 Koupe early San Jose Phoenician Yellow 4 speed
    66 GT Koupe Dearborn Blue 4 speed
    66 KGT San Jose fastback pony interior Silver Frost 4 speed
    64 Falcon sedan delivery 289 4 speed
    65 Ranchero 289 4 speed
    66 Corvette roadster 427/425 4 speed

  • Fred, Thanks for the update!! I wonder if you should may be advertise somewhere as to what you are doing with these pumps? I would think that with all the members here, and all the Kars registered that there would be more people needing the sealed 1965 and 1966 pumps done than the number you've already got.

    I for one can live without my pump until early October-longer if absolutely nessessary, but we're trying to ready my Kar for the Hershey show.

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