HiPo running rough - MUST READ

  • Hello K-folks,

    An interesting story and unexpected solution to a rough running HiPo, that may help in future diagnostic issues.


    History:

    Orig. '66 K-engine that I rebuilt myself with around 2k miles. I rebuilt the Orig. Carb . Used my Spare '65 HiPo fuel pump that was used but worked fine. Orig. dist. worked fine so no updates required. Installed all new wiring, etc.


    Problem:

    Engine started running rough at idle and normal highway cruising, like a miss from a vacuum leak or bad gas. If I Stepped on the gas the problem would go away. I put in a fresh tank of HiTest. Problem started to progressively get worse. The last time I drove it I couldn't go over 30mph........


    Easy Repair attempts:

    1. Pulled all spark plugs - no issues, nice and clean.

    2. Checked timing - right on.

    3. Adjusted carb jets - okay.

    4. Checked points -fine. Still filed and re-gapped.

    5. Cleaned the condenser contacts assuming it was still good.

    6. Removed fuel bowl and filter was spotless.(ordered an NOS in case)

    7. @&*(%$#$%&%$$#^% getting frustrated.....


    More involved repair attempts:

    The next steps were to replace the fuel pump with a known functioning pump (prior to mortgaging my house to find a correct '66 unit) and then send my coveted original C6ZF-C off to get it professionally rebuilt/restored. Next would be to adjust the lifters and do a compression check. But, first things first.......


    Solution:

    Before removing my fuel pump, I decided to make one last call to an old racer friend, Nick Dotson, who actually purchased an early '65 hi-po coupe new from Young Ford in Charlotte, NC.

    I described the symptoms and began to tell him what I'd done to date to resolve them and he interrupted me with "It's your Coil...". I hesitated and said it was new when I rebuilt the motor and continued to go over my diagnosis trials. He interrupted again and said again "It's your Coil..." only more emphatically. I said again, I replaced it with one of the high $$$ repro Yellow Tops - it can't be bad. He proceded to tell me an engine story that after several carb rebuilds, (2) fuel pumps, (3) sets of plugs & wires, timing chain, cam and lifters, and an eventual engine swap, it was the coil all along. There was no arguing after that.

    Fortunately I saved all my original parts and in the box was my original Yellow Top dated B6 (Feb. 1966). I wiped off the grunge, and proceeded to swap out the nice new $$$ replacement.

    Many kudos to Nick Dotson as he was absolutely right!! My Kar fired right up and the harmonious sounds of 16 solid lifters in unison never sounded better.

    I pulled the old coil back out and gave it a good cleaning and a fresh coat of Krylon Semi-Flat. While it was drying, I gave Nick a call back, praised him and then thanked him for the invaluable advice.


    If this experience helps even one K-member in the future, then it was well worth burning a lunch hour writing this post.


    Never overlook the simple things and don't be afraid to ask your friends for a second look or a bit of friendly technical advice.


    Thanks for your time......


    Mark

  • Thank you for taking the time to post this great story. I am sure that it will help one of us out in the future.

    -Fred-

    65 Koupe early San Jose Phoenician Yellow 4 speed
    66 GT Koupe Dearborn Blue 4 speed
    66 KGT San Jose fastback pony interior Silver Frost 4 speed
    64 Falcon sedan delivery 289 4 speed
    65 Ranchero 289 4 speed
    66 Corvette roadster 427/425 4 speed

  • Mark,


    Thanks for the story. I had exactly the same problem with one of the new repop yellow tops. The car started running rough a few miles from my house right after installing it. Swapped in an original I had on the shelf and problem solved.


    Dave

    Dave
    6S1757

  • Unfortunately this isn't a new problem with these repop yellow top coils. I've had two duds. Both of mine died in heavy traffic. One when I was the first car on a single lane roundabout. I ended up putting a Pertronix Flamethrower on the car and have never had a problem. I only swap to the yellow top for shows. I don't think I can trust a repop yellow top at this stage.


    Pity you didn't come here first Mark. You have have avoided that final stage %%#%#%%%%#%#%###%#!!


    René


    Edited by - rene.pilat on 10/20/2008 15:10:21

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    Yikes, guess I better make one worthless post then just so my post total isn't at 666 anymore.

    Dave
    6S1757

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