Shelby vs. Shelby

    Sorry- Kind of new to this:


    Shelby vs. Shelby


    I think I know the answer to the following question, but want to throw it out for discussion:


    Question:


    If you had the opportunity to buy a 1966 Shelby GT350 or a Shelby CSX 4000 series what would you buy?


    Before you answer, the 1966 is a re-bodied car, and the CSX is a fiberglass car.


    You also have the opportunity to buy all aluminum Kirkham Cobra.


    So the question is:


    Would you buy a 1966 re-bodied Shelby GT350?

    Or

    Would you buy a fiberglass continuation CSX Shelby?

    Or

    Would you buy aluminum Kirkham Cobra?


    Please explain you answer.

    Thanks

    I've decided that when buying expensive cars it is best to buy the one you want, tempered with an investment outlook. It is great when you love your car and it goes up in value, or at least holds its value. Any car still in production depreciates the minute you buy it. If they are not making any more it will hold it's value or increase. Your choices are tough. I would say the re-body first, as it is a "real" car, albeit with a sorted history. That said, if you pay fair market value for it today it will follow the Shelby market, although trailing, in the future. And it will look like, drive like, be like a GT-350 and can legitimately be called a GT-350, but re bodied.

    It may not increase in value but all of the others will decrease. They already have and they will continue, if you put miles on them. Besides, a Cobra is a very impractical car exceeded only by a Ford GT, so don't listen to me! The re body could go on vintage rallys and be comfortable streetable and fun. The Cobra is fun, but not on a trip. I can say this as I have driven mine to Monterey and back, 1000 miles for the weekend, 6 times.

    a rebodied shelby, by all accounts, is still a Mustang [ anyone disagree?] a CSX or Kirkham is a streetrod, newly fabricated, with nothing historically going for it, and the honest owner can say its rebodied and still claim a historical thread to the original. Honesty would still bear value to the car. The others have nothing but kit car value. IHO.

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    a rebodied shelby, by all accounts, is still a Mustang [ anyone disagree?] a CSX or Kirkham is a streetrod, newly fabricated, with nothing historically going for it, and the honest owner can say its rebodied and still claim a historical thread to the original. Honesty would still bear value to the car. The others have nothing but kit car value. IHO.

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    Right on, Duncan!

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    a rebodied shelby, by all accounts, is still a Mustang [ anyone disagree?] a CSX or Kirkham is a streetrod, newly fabricated, with nothing historically going for it, and the honest owner can say its rebodied and still claim a historical thread to the original. Honesty would still bear value to the car. The others have nothing but kit car value. IHO.

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    Right on, Duncan!

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    I agree with the re-bodied Shelby statement completely. Can anyone explain why they sell for more than a "regular" Mustang. I know the title has the Shelby VIN, but all it takes is a call to SAAC to expose the car as a re-body job. Even when they are advertised as a re-body, they still bring more $$$ than a comparable Mustang


    Z. Ray

    '66 GT-350

    If I wanted a shelby, but was put off by the prices these days, and wanted to DRIVE it,, a rebodied car might suit me, if it could be confirmed that the original was wrecked, and crunched/crushed. No one else can lay claim to it, and you would have all the legitimate paperwork for the car, with the up front position of openly saying it had been rebuilt using a donor. If this happens and if done correctly, it still has value [ to me and others] above and beyond the standard mustang. IT IS A MUSTANG, BOTH CARS ARE. all the things making it a Shelby would be there, most of them original, and I wouldn't mind it in my garage. Can I buy it? Huh, huh?<img src=images/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

    It depends on who you are when it comes to this rebody thing? Or as Old Man Shelby calls it's Retubed and that's all right! What % of the car must be left/used to call it rebuilt?

    This is CSX-3117 it was completely? would you say it's could be repaired? Rebodied? Cloned? I guess as long as you find the right front frame #, 2 door latch #s, hood latch# , and the trunk latch# what is it? I heard there was a Issue with R098 after it sold for 900,000 K....

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    Edited by - map351 on 01/27/2007 23:55:55

    This Cobra, if it has provenance, will be worth plenty, if someone like McCluskey LTD restores it, because, look, noone else can say they have the car, can they? If, now , there is a question about other cars with its same number, then the value will suffer. Controversy over titles is a big deal with Cobras. As with Cobras, the K-Kars will have their greatest value, if provenance, as well as correct parts/systems, etc.,are in place. If I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that a Kar, the predecesssor of my Kar, went to the crusher, then I have no fear of another claim popping up. and it will be valued less than a Kar that is really on its own sheetmetal, etc., etc. IMHO. <img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=images/icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

    Further.....I called a guy in NM about his 66' Shelby Hertz. He said the numbers dont match, but wants his $85K out of it. He sent pictures showing wonkie headers, and power steering, with a fender showing 6T09<i></i><i></i>K 100514. no Cobra pan, 351W in it. How many red flags do we need?<img src=images/icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

    So if McCluskey makes a shinny new cobra from melted scrap everything is fine! Look it has all the numbers in the right place Mike fixed it and SAAC blessed it everything is right again.... <img src=images/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

    CSX-2260 is another!And the list goes on...

    Also not all Hertz cars had T pans, they switched to stamped steel because the renters were knocking the pans off...

    Your point is well taken, I think, tho, that transparentcy up front shows its value in the market place, those who take what they have left and get it back on the road are entitled to do it, don't you think? Are we not supposed to repair, at some ' spiritual ' point, a car? At 2006 Pebble Beach auction [ Gooding ] the 67' national B Production Champion, Shelby GT350, R model, went for $680K or so, and it had been rebuilt extensively, many times I am told. Who is to say what the moral standard of repair/restoration is? You have an opinion, as does everyone else. Do you have a right to fix or restore your car? You tell me. Looks like the market place has an opinion also. This is an important topic for all of us, and the pristine unrestored cars are the rare ones, IMHO. We get to decide what the value is to us, as do all.<img src=images/icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

    All I'm saying is don't call a rebuild hulk that in the 60s was written off for scrap 75% of the original pieces are gone and replaced with used parts from another car! It's not the original car and don't misrepresent as the way it came from AC cars or Dearborn...

    Here's a perfect example CSX-2136..$1,650,000 this is not the car that finished 7th overall, 3rd in the GT category in 1963 or part or the car? Would pay $1,650,000 for a VIN #? That's what the new owner did...

    Body #?

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    1985 most of the rS is missing & the rear clip..I have more pics.

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    Edited by - map351 on 01/29/2007 18:16:17

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