Posting a VIN ?

  • Hey Guys,


    Is it a good idea to post a VIN ?


    I have a 289 HP engine listed for sale and the first question is what is the VIN #.


    I have heard of some problems where people use that info to title fake cars (Boss, Shelby's HiPo's etc).


    Greg

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    Hey Guys,


    Is it a good idea to post a VIN ?


    I have a 289 HP engine listed for sale and the first question is what is the VIN #.


    I have heard of some problems where people use that info to title fake cars (Boss, Shelby's HiPo's etc).


    Greg

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    I posed the general question as you are right about fakes. The most expensive variety is a Shelby/Boss fake, ther most common is the engine as in "not stamped". If you have a genuine "K" block, the VIN is critical but the last three numbers can be "XXXed" out and that will satisy most on the forum. You will find that on e-bay, Craigs's list and a few good dealers selling Mustangs that the VIN is the key selling point. On a block, no VIN, not a Hi-Po.

    Jim

    In Tony's Gregory's book (4th ed) you will find my VIN and 1489 others.


    Edited by - jwc66k on 07/24/2011 10:41:40

  • I don't see the down side to posting the VIN on an engine which is for sale.


    If the engine was from a Shelby, without the Shelby VIN also being published, there would be no way for someone to "construct" a Shelby Mustang only knowing the Ford VIN.


    If the engine was not from a Shelby Mustang, then what is the reasoning for withholding the VIN in a for sale ad? Faking a K code is going to require a lot more than just a K code engine. The expense in attempting to do so would probably exceed the cost of a legitimate K code.


    What am I missing here (I know I need more coffee).


    Z.


    Edited by - zrayrichter on 07/24/2011 11:15:45

  • Ok say I just stole a K car. Now I need an identity to put on it. So here is an engine VIN that belongs to a long dead car. So I roll out my car, now with its new VIN and no DMV's computor is going to say 'hang on a minute, we have two of those'.

    My reasoning is to not help the fraudster.

  • VINs have been in the public domain in a variety of ways for a long time. Jim Smart's Mustang Production Guide and Tony's book have long lists of VINs. There will always be knock off artists who try to fake a car, but if the car is known and in the registry it becomes much harder to fake and subsequently defraud an uneducated buyer. If you look at this site, there is a strong case for documenting cars to support their authenticity via use of the VIN.

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    Ok say I just stole a K car. Now I need an identity to put on it. So here is an engine VIN that belongs to a long dead car. So I roll out my car, now with its new VIN and no DMV's computor is going to say 'hang on a minute, we have two of those'.

    My reasoning is to not help the fraudster.

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    It's not as easy as all that, you still need mucho (a West coast term) paperwork and some effort that is supposed to originate from the criminal that is, for the most part, lazy. A lot of those who tried that stunt in California reside in a small community Southeast of San Rafael.

    Jim

  • the thing is, there is no list anywhere of all K code serial numbers. So you don't need to have a legit K code serial number off of engine to "make" your own K code. You just can make up any number you please and there's no one to say that it's not a valid number. Of course it would have to follow the recognized serial number format.


    Z.

  • Supose you suspect that your car's VIN has been stolen and used to build anouther car and that a good title was gotten from one of those title companies that claim to be able to get a title for anything?? how would you check this??

  • OK I hear what y'all are saying. In the UK we have a single national database of all car VIN and engine numbers. So if a dupicate pops up the boys in blue go and hammer on someones door.

    Now if someone were to want to sell a stolen car, yes they could make up a VIN in the right format, but surely it would be advantagous to use a real VIN, from a car that is known to have been scrapped long enough ago to make tracing back not possible.

    Much in the same way that people have stolen identities from tombstones and applied for birth certificates etc.

    Why do people not list their cars VIN on an ebay advert ? surely it is to prevent scammers using it.

    I make sure that no one can see my VIN when I post pics, perhaps I am too cautious.

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    ...and that a good title was gotten from one of those title companies that claim to be able to get a title for anything??

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    I'm not aware of companies advertising they can do this. This would seem to be a clearly illegal activity.

  • Well OK , I'm not sure what to think after all that.


    I am going to list part of the VIN. I guess if not listing the complete # keeps someone from buying so be it.


    Greg

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    ...and that a good title was gotten from one of those title companies that claim to be able to get a title for anything??

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    I'm not aware of companies advertising they can do this. This would seem to be a clearly illegal activity.

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    I think there is an outfit called Broadway title that advertises this type of thing. I'll take a look and see if there are more....


    http://www.broadwaytitle.com/


    Edited by - 6hypo5conv on 07/25/2011 14:52:31

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