New Member - rare HiPo T5 Conv.

66T5KGTConv · February 27, 2009 at 2:07 AM

Hi everyone,

my name is Michael, I am from Germany.

I have been a Mustang fan since I first saw one in the 60s. I have had & restored several over the years. Last year I was asked to take a look at a "rare" Mustang and what i found is this:

A 66 T5 GT convertible with a mere 18000 km.

The car was ordered for the owner of Germany's largest importer of T5s (as Mustangs had to be called in Germany due to copyright issues)

In the early 70s a later owner modified it for slalom races and after that it was stored - for the next 30 years.

I still had the org. exhaust, fan belt, water pump and most all org. parts when I finally bought it last summer.

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The story was featured on the Mustang news site: http://www.ponysite.de/news22.htm

The car is in the process of beeing completly rebuild, trying to retain as much of the org. parts as possible and using only NOS parts.

BTW, I am looking for a water pump rebuild kit

Besides the K-Code I also have an early production 65 GT Convertible and a 68 Shelby GT500

Edited by - T5-GT-K-Code on 02/27/2009 05:13:07

C6ZZKGT · February 27, 2009 at 7:17 AM Official Post

Welcome to the forum, Michael. I also had a 66 T5 GT convertible with a pony interior for a number of years. It was dark ivy green metallic with a black pony interior and a white top. It is now in a private museum in Switzerland.

-Fred-

66T5KGTConv · February 27, 2009 at 7:41 AM

Hello Fred,

Cool! Nice meeting you. Yes, I know the car. Saw it in Monte Carlo a few years back, when it was still owned by Emanuel. I am also know and I am in contact with the current owner from Switzerland.

Could you shed some light on a question of the T5 GT gas cap? Looks like it is a "normal" 66 GT cap with no changes - unlike the T5 cap with the deleted Mustang script.

Mike

C6ZZKGT · February 27, 2009 at 8:57 AM Official Post

To the best of our knowledge, Ford did not ship T5's with gas caps but rather a plastic plug to fill the hole. The 65 with the Mustang word machined out has only been seen in reproduction form as far as I know. Pro Products made them up a long time ago but as yet I have not heard of an original one. I am certainly open to correction on this. A lot of the T5's got locking gas caps because they did not say Mustang. I also understand that you could purchase a Mustang gas cap and install it after delivery because then it was no longer Ford infringing on the trademark. The cap that I had on the Kar was an original normal Mustang GT cap that I had the outer ring, where the Mustang word is, machined down to eliminate the lettering for Ford Mustang. I then had it rechromed. I never intended this to represent what Ford actually did but only what I thought that they should have done. I felt that this went along with the Fairlane and Ford horn cap casting for the wood grain wheel that did not have the Ford Mustang wording. The center caps on the styled steel wheels in 66 were Fairlane as well.

-Fred-

66T5KGTConv · February 27, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Hello Fred,

thanks for your info's, I really appreciate them.

I will also use styled steel wheels with Fairlane centers - but have not decided yet on the gas cap - or the wheel center. That will have to wait until after paint.

I have found & documented a whole bunch of factory markings, and I also have found the build sheet to boost.

I will be happy to share that info with anyone here.

I will probably bug you all with a lot more questions - as the restoration progresses.

Have a nice day

Mike

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To the best of our knowledge, Ford did not ship T5's with gas caps but rather a plastic plug to fill the hole. The 65 with the Mustang word machined out has only been seen in reproduction form as far as I know. Pro Products made them up a long time ago but as yet I have not heard of an original one. I am certainly open to correction on this. A lot of the T5's got locking gas caps because they did not say Mustang. I also understand that you could purchase a Mustang gas cap and install it after delivery because then it was no longer Ford infringing on the trademark. The cap that I had on the Kar was an original normal Mustang GT cap that I had the outer ring, where the Mustang word is, machined down to eliminate the lettering for Ford Mustang. I then had it rechromed. I never intended this to represent what Ford actually did but only what I thought that they should have done. I felt that this went along with the Fairlane and Ford horn cap casting for the wood grain wheel that did not have the Ford Mustang wording. The center caps on the styled steel wheels in 66 were Fairlane as well.

-Fred-

C6ZZKGT · February 27, 2009 at 3:00 PM Official Post

Michael, If you decide to go with a standard steering wheel, I have the correct T-5 horn ring. I also have T-5 replacement inserts for your T-5 emblems if yours are worn looking. If you do not have your T-5 emblems at all, I am pretty sure that I have them as well.

-Fred-

cobraboy · February 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Mike, welcome along. I have just imported a K GT Fastback into the UK and have been busy looking round it. I would be interested to know where you found your build sheet as I have had a quick look but have not found one yet. Regards Mark

C6ZZKGT · February 28, 2009 at 11:48 AM Official Post

Mark, A build sheet is sometimes taped and wrapped around the main wire loom behind the instrument cluster.

-Fred-

cobraboy · March 1, 2009 at 3:32 AM

Thanks Fred. I have to look in there as the ammeter doesnt work.

66T5KGTConv · March 1, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Hello Fred,

appreciate your offer.

I am almost set on the woodgrain wheel. There is a guy in Austria that re-rims the wheel with real wood. I looks & feels fantastic - if not "correct"

The plan was going with the Shelby center cap & add the Pony emblem to it.

T5 Emblems - yes that would be nice. I have gathered some stuff but not a real good set. My car was delivered with exactly this setup:

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The GT I already have - but as I said still looking for a nice set of T5 emblems.

mark_old I found my build sheet wrapped around the main wiring harness behind the instrument cluster.

Regarding the Amp Meter - They have never been very responsive at all. You will hardly notice a little deflection when switching on the headlamps - Thats the way it is...

Greeting

Mike

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Michael, If you decide to go with a standard steering wheel, I have the correct T-5 horn ring. I also have T-5 replacement inserts for your T-5 emblems if yours are worn looking. If you do not have your T-5 emblems at all, I am pretty sure that I have them as well.

-Fred-

C6ZZKGT · March 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM Official Post

Mike, I sent you my email address in a PM so that communication will be easier.

-Fred-

cobraboy · March 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Thanks Mike, I have looked behind there now as I had to remove the gauges to repair the heater cables, no sheet, but did find the main ALT cable not routed thru ammeter loop - unplugged it passed it thru and bingo ammeter OK.

66T5KGTConv · March 4, 2009 at 3:26 AM

Hi Mark,

well, that was an easy fix! Also means that you have a 65 GT, because the ammeter wiring is unlike that on the 66.

Other places to look for that build sheet are the doors, under the carpet and under the seats.

Maybe there are other common places that I don´t know about - the experts will probably chime in.

Cheers

Mike

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Thanks Mike, I have looked behind there now as I had to remove the gauges to repair the heater cables, no sheet, but did find the main ALT cable not routed thru ammeter loop - unplugged it passed it thru and bingo ammeter OK.

CharlesTurner · March 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM

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Hi Mark,

well, that was an easy fix! Also means that you have a 65 GT, because the ammeter wiring is unlike that on the 66.

Other places to look for that build sheet are the doors, under the carpet and under the seats.

Maybe there are other common places that I don´t know about - the experts will probably chime in.

The loop ammeter on a '65 does not necessarily make a car a GT. Keep in mind that the 5 dial cluster was part of the interior decor group, which was a RPO for any '65 Mustang when the option became available in March/April '65.

Most NJ cars I have seen had a build sheet taped to the main harness. Have seen them in seats, under carpets, under trunk mat and stuffed in other places throughout the car.

cobraboy · March 4, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Thanks Charles I have looked in most places now, doors, behind gauges, under front / rear seats, in A pillars, under some of the carpet, in trunk sides and over rear wheel housings, above heater when I had it out. Alas no sheet. I am fairly convinced that the old girl is a factory GT though as she ticks all of the boxes that have been mentioned on this site.

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