Dave,
Glad you got in on this discussion. I was hopeful we had railroad guy that could talk the talk about not only the railroad but also the assembly plants.
Ray
Dave,
Glad you got in on this discussion. I was hopeful we had railroad guy that could talk the talk about not only the railroad but also the assembly plants.
Ray
Gene,
The engines were likely sorted according to engine code. In other words a ccontainer would most likely be all C code or all A code or all K code etc. The engines that were packed into
the container first at the engine assembly plant were the last ones out of the container at the auto assembly plant-perhaps-unless the container had an access door on each side.
Lots of variables make this date code thing very interesting to me.
Saw a 5K13 block today with a 5K14 assembly stamp.
One last point. I have seen pictures of bock vins stamped very neatly and evenly spaced, probably machine stamped, Then I saw one block (original) that was stamped very messy- obviously hand stamped as the characters were slanted etc.-Ray
Bo,
Thanks for sharing your information on an ariginal car. My buddy has 6S749 and it too has original block date 5M1. His time line is very similar to yours. I did notice when he had his engine out for rebuild that he has the only K vin code block I have actually seen seen other than in pictures. I have found the vin stamped blocks to be rarer than the non-vin blocks.I have had a 1/2 dozen various code 289 blocks and none of them were vin stamped.
Wish I knew more about what blocks got stamped and why so many did not. The block vin numbers were stamped after the engine assembly date stamp was put on block, presumably just before it was lowered in the car. Any data on what factory plants were most consistent on doing the block vin stampings?
One of the things a lot of people aren't aware of is that the vin was assigned at the begining of the assembly line and stamped at some mid point in production so they came off the end of the assembly line rather random as some cars were delayed coming down the line for a particular reason or snag. Many guys thought they got stamped at end of assembly line in perfect sequence.
Bo,
I knew Shelby put the 715 carb on it but I just wasn't thinking. Now I am straight on the point.
What do you think of the rest of my time line.
Marv and I were wanting to do some research on what the average amount of time it took for the train ride for the engine from Cleveland factory assembly point (early '66 Windsor hadn't started yet) to San Jose.
My car was built about 5L10 probably arrived at Shelby 5-10 days later. Was not shipped out of Shelby until 12/28/65
Ok, here is what I know. My car was invoiced out of Shelby on 12/28/1965. 715 carb is 5O3 third week of Oct'65. Mustang production guide and secret decoder disk agrees on 11/10/65 as very close assembly line production date. After comparing lots of data I believe my engine date code should be about 5K7 with an engine assembly date of 5K11. I have noted 12 C5AE blocks or more.4-7 days after casting to assembly is common and I have see 30-45 days too. Then shipped to San Jose by rail.
What do you see wrong with this time line? All that is missing on my car is the block. All date coded original rotating assembly and externals I have. I.E. fan is a J5-balancer J5.
Could I get a few of you guys to go to this link and look up October of 1965 calender and tell me in your opinions what is considered the 3rd week of Oct. This relates to the code on my 715 carb, built 3rd week of Oct or 5O3, thus my engine assembly date would have to be 3rd or 4th or 5th week of Oct. You will have to look at the calender to see what I mean.
On 10/14/07 you ran a set of Hipo heads on E-bay and seemed, at least in the ad, to know all about Hipo heads. Heads sold for $714.00.
So you have a new find that you have yet to open up?
I can amagine Amazon charged you an unfair price as these guides are not exactly likely to show up on the Roadshow Antique Show.
Does that mean you are ready to sell or trade?-Ray
What did you find out?
What are the date codes of the heads?
Should see that code on top of the heads just inside the valve cover gasket rail. Should see a 3 or 4 character casting code. Example: 5L3 or 4J26, something like that. Then on the bottom of the head you should see like a C30E raised cast near exhaust runner.
If they are 5Jxx or 5Kxx date codes HiPo I would like first chance at buying them for my restoration.-Ray
Ken, I have a 5J29 block. I was just trying to get closer to my build date with 5K block. Thanks for the offer.
Ray
TOOLBOX if you can care to post pics of your caps they seem equally interesting. Ray
Lots of variation among foundries. Look at last example pic with stamped 3 rather than cast 3. Ray
Chuck
Since we last talked the other nite I have given it some thought and
here is what I came up with for the debate:
If a person ruined a HiPo maincap in the late 60's is it possible that Ford would only sell a full set of caps and marked the rear main with the full PN rather than a partial number as came from the factory. Would make sense that Ford would need a full number for the service part(s). Do you think these are service caps if there was such a thing. Also could have been a very small run of 25-50 sets. I think this is more possible then any Mexican connection. How bout this for a pitch-very rare Dragon Snake caps!! Ray
I have a 5L (Nov)66 San Jose car 4spd, no air. What should the rad markings be? Y2 seems to be the most agreed upon. Not sure if it should have a tag or side markings as it has no top markings.
Anyone care to post the entire markings? I may need to be looking.
My car has never been hit but I guess it could have had the rad replaced.
Ray
Please post Jim Smart's e-mail address.
The oil pump sounds like Holman Moody piece. No heads?
The caps are HiPo for sure vs a Mexican add on? Balancer there? and what does it say. Also is there an assembly date stamp right above the timing cover where it mates to block water jacket
Ray
Luis,
Did your cousin know what type of car the engine came out of. Curious to know what type of car you plan to put this engine in when it is rebuilt?
Welcome
Ray
Send couple of clear photo of the top of the head with valve cover off. Pics from couple of differant views.
I see said the blind man. J5 Sept 5 Still right for my engine. Thanks.