Posts by rr64_old

    Quote from DYNO17

    JUST CURIOUS I HAVE A SMALL BLOCK FORD AND HAVE CHANGED HEADS , GASKETS, DECKED BLOCK ,PRESSURE CHECKED HEADS AND SWITCHED HEADS . IT BOILS OVER AND I CAN SEE WHAT I THINK IS EXHAUST GAS BUBBLES GOING TO OVER FLOW TANK, PLUS IT IS PUSHING THIS PAST A 24-26 LB RADIATOR CAP. ANY ONE HAVE IDEAS WERE TO LOOK FOR A CRACK IN BLOCK AS WITH I THINK IT HAS TO BE IN BLOCK


    Could your engine be running lean? I bought a car with a hot running 289 in 2003. It would boil over in less than a mile of driving after being not used for more that 16 hours. I started with all the usual checks of tune up specifications and thermostat but found nothing until I pulled the first spark plug. I pulled several others and all showed signs of running very lean. I rebuilt the Holley carburetor that was on it and it stopped over heating.


    Dan

    RE: HP289 Distributors

    A friend trying to figure out what might have been correct for his car came across a C5 model stamped 4FE and a C3 model stamped 4GB. That means at least for a while for reasons unknown both styles must have been produced in the same time frame. I know of several C5 models dated 4HB.

    Dan

    Quote from apound

    I guess you are looking for a C5AE 9425 A? Anyway the dates on mine are 4K21 and 4L17.


    The complete as cast engineering number is C5OE-9245-A that is not machined in the rear for the crankcase vent (stamped A on the machined pad under the engineering number).


    Dan

    Somewhere in all the old magazines I have is an article on the GT350 race engine builds in period. The article doesn't show every part or modification but I do believe it shows the grooved mains on the crankshaft.


    I don't know the whys and why nots but SA used a blueprinted stock oil pump with a shim under the internal pressure relief spring. They raised the relief pressure (the pressure at which the bypass valve opened) but not volume. I have long wondered how oiling was with a grooved crank, grooved bearing inserts, and a stock volume oil pump UNLESS they didn't use grooved main bearing inserts??

    Your answer (maybe Mark Hovander knows?) may also depend on time frame as it did for Cobras. Cobras, even with Webers, started off with the stock HP289 camshaft design and evolved from there. The specifications I have collected don't show a whole lot of lift (back then stock rocker arms were used) but they did play with event timing and where legal roller lifters. The "factory" specifications for camshafts is real confusing to me because they gave specifications at different lifts at different times as procedures changed. That makes comparing information in a 1966 parts catlog and a 1970 one not straight forward.

    Dave,

    I have done a tiny bit of research relative to the question: Which version of insulators were OE on Cobras 1962-65? I have found only bits and pieces. I have a partial collection of Ford TSBs from the era. (A partial collection is hundreds of pages.)


    Late summer 1963 engine assembly must have still used the Ver. 1 based on one TSB I have. Based on another TSB production was used to burn up obsolete designs so Ver. 1 could have lasted well into 1964. (i.e. newer designs could show up at parts counters while production still used the old plugs)


    Based on the two TSBs I have it may have been possible that my car's engine assembled 4B7 could have had the three ridge models while at the same time the parts counter was selling the newer design.


    I would love to find any other TSBs relative to this subject.


    Dan

    Quote from Mel

    That date code is right. Bob Mannel has suggested it may be a service replacement block. It has no Vin number on the block.


    In my searches for parts for my cars I crossed paths with what is believed to be a Fairlane service five bolt engine dated 5H25 which is just one day earlier.


    Dan

    Quote from RPM

    They never dated a block plate so you don't have to worry about that one!


    I didn't think so either unit I found these three five bolt ones, two of them have never had more than the worst grease and road grime removed with Gunk® cleaner and a wash rag.

    12 8 61 2

    2 19 64 3

    4 30 63 2


    If they dated things like we do at work these mean:

    December 8, 1961 Second Shift

    February 19, 1964 Third Shift

    April 30, 1963 Second Shift


    The two that are as removed from engines except for washing are cold reduction mill flatten steel without any type of finish except black paint overspray from the engine being painted as an assembly. The one that has been glass beaded has rust pitting except where paint overspray once protected it. These must have been "production" parts as I have gotten some information that some people have some service parts that are painted black all over. The completely black painted ones don't have numbers stamped in them. (I know it is not the same as working for Ford but I work for a very large multinational manufacturing company. We do not date code every part but certain parts that might require field warrantee service are dated IF we use them in production and they go straight to a consumer in our product. The parts designated for product service may be dated but often are not because a lot of the markings on our product only mean something to us in our plant. Our service parts may or may not be just like those used in production or even made by the same supplier. Deductive logic is then I can understand why service parts are sometimes quite different than production parts and the service parts might not always be dated.)


    The car I am working on is one of only roughly thirty with an engine originally of a particular configuration and the details of that configuration are guesses too. The known is they were assembled on or after August 25, 1964 and there was a mix of parts considered 1964 designs and 1965 designs in the same assembly, oil pans for example. Unfortunately since these engines in these cars tended to be highly modified or completely replaced during the last four decades I have not located a car with an unmodified engine I can get access of to examine for fine details of. I am therefore going on deductive logic, which may or may not apply to Ford Motor Company. That logic says if late 1961 through early 1964 production five bolt block plates have a series of numbers stamped into them like date and shift identification then there is a good likelyhood that August 1964 parts might have too. That is not proof I know but dating for an implied four year (1961-62-63-64) period is a trend.

    Wanted: Mint condition block backing plate (between engine block and bell housing) for a five bolt 289 engine dated mid summer 1964 if such a thing exists. The engine for a manual transmission car that I am working on has an aftermarket plate or it is an undated one. In any event it is in poor condition. A rust free dent or damage free one that have never been media blasted or sanded is preferred.

    Quote from bobmannel

    I have never seen the center bolt on a production 289.


    Thanks Bob. I have some new ones of both styles both Ford boxes. Either the seller switched parts in the case of the odd ones or that is what Ford sells as replacements now.

    Dan

    Please excuse me if this information is in the archives somewhere.

    I did a couple of searches and didn’t notice anything on this subject.


    The picture below shows on the left one of the short head bolts that was in an August 1964 HP289 engine that I am working on currently and two “NOS” bolts that were purchased as the same part number. The bolt in the middle is a different design, lacks any type of oxide protective finish, and came with thread sealant. The bolt on the right is finished in black oxide and looks just like the old one on the left.


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    Question: Does anybody know the story on these two different design?


    Thanks.


    Dan