Posts by J_Speegle_old

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    F Dearborn of course


    sleeping on the job here <img src=images/icon_smile_sleepy.gif border=0 align=middle> San Jose is where my convertible is from.<img src=images/icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

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    Me too apparently <img src=images/icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle> Saw the San Jose and hit respond <img src=images/icon_smile_shy.gif border=0 align=middle>

    Thanks for sharing


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    All right car is a 66 GT coupe San jose built serial 6F07K247603. Warranty tag says Body 65A color K and trim 22


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    For some reason San Jose didn't always do the list on the radiator support - IMHO most likely a specific shift or time period thing


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    One of a bunch of places we find the second rotation number IMHO likely in red originally on this car. And likely that color since its a later car


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    Yes the one we often call the "list" IMHO these appear to be more related to the sheet metal production rather than the car. Possible one panel of a pallet was marked in this way to identify it for some purpose. Similar pattern has been seen on early Dearborn cars also. I find them on maybe one out of every hundred cars


    Again, thanks for sharing

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    Been cleaning up the front ent of my k code and underneath a few layers of paint on the rad support came across these markings. Most are kind of obvious but on passenger side have no idea of what BL or 8L could mean.

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    dOzf - that's a 65 Dearborn car - correct?


    Agree it's BL

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    I have been in contact with someone with 4G9 date code hipo heads. they have been ported on their exhaust ports for what looks like Tri Y headers. they have the stamp 3214 below the freeze plugs.

    My question is, how did Valley Head Service mark their heads. Did they just stamp a number on them. .......................

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    IMHO most likely someone else's work. The VHS heads I've seen from the period had the full name stamped on the head (on the lip where the valve cover would rest.


    Mondellos did the same thing -different location of the stamping though

    Would two 64 dated ones help?


    Don't know what care this one came from (FoMoCo marked Nov 64)guess it could be a very early service replacement


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    This one from 5F07A270685 - one of Mike's original cars


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    This one from 5F08A727557 - one of Mike's original cars


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    Might have more - hope this helps

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    Thanks Fred


    Having the correct parts number will assist me in my search. Is the parts number on the back side of the sill?

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    I don't recall ever seeing a part number stamp in an original. None of mine do

    The engine specific details should be the same as all the other engines from that period so I'll let you source that through the book and others here.


    Since its am Aug 65 San Jose car the difference in the engine compartment are as follows.


    One of the differences we see between the plant is the finish of the black engine compartment black, over the body color, at the rear edge of the fender flange at the cowl. Unlike other plants this was a soft edge (not masked off nor typically finished with a brush) The vast majority of the time this soft line, lines up with the front edge of the cowl to firewall pinch weld.


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    Of course all the typical details about the engine compartment should be there like


    1- Brake master cylinder and cap painted semi-gloss black


    2- Brake lines, electrical connections, steering column, heater, master cylinder, fuel lines and related parts were in place (no engine ground though)when the sealant was sprayed around/over all openings and mounting points on the fire wall. Typically it appears that the worker moved the wand from one point to the next - never shutting it off. Sort of a connect the dots pattern


    3- Fender to inner fender sealant was typically applied (dark grey or black) to the very outer edge of the fender lip (inner fender) so none should be visible once the fender is installed except for a somewhat small bead along where the VIN is visible (approx 3/8" bead along that edge).


    4- Hood hinges and springs are of course phosphate and oil. Often we find sealant between the hood and the hinges as well as the hinges and inner fenders on 65 SJ cars


    5- No chalking strip or "dumb - dumb" around heater hoses at the firewall IMHO


    6- Looks like that period typically used the smooth fender and inner fender (front spring covers) washers


    7- Service decal examples


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    Since Charles has had a few of these recently (little earlier in the year by about 5 months so there are some differences) - he may have some details to add.


    Edited by - J_Speegle on 02/22/2010 02:25:27

    Would agree with other comments here - DON"T IMHO copy much of what you see in magazines and restored cars. Instead seek out unrestored cars built at the same plant same time. You would be surprised of the differences - small as they may be - that are there.


    So to provide any assistance the first question would be when and where was the car built?


    Edited by - J_Speegle on 02/20/2010 20:09:48

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    Jeff, The Thunderbird valve has a different part number. Although the outward appearance is the same, there must be some internal difference. The 65 and 66 Lincoln also use the same valve as the Thunderbird.


    -Fred-

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    Agreed - never noticed a difference in braking. Guess if we could find some factory paperwork it might be something that could be adjusted out. Guessing the Corvette balance would be different also

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    Jeff - would all of the body panels have likely been spec'd as red oxide from the vendors, then the gray coat applied at the assembly plant?

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    Yes the panels were delivered in red oxide but there is evidence that red was shot also in at least many areas (red oxide over sound deadener and sealer in many areas. As Charles mentioned gray only on exterior panels - I believe as a surfacer

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    Where exactly does this sticker go? on the door or the box itself? I have heard that it goes on the rear wall of the box itself on a slight angle as that is most likely how it was applied originally...any pics? and do I also use the regular tire sticker as well? I have heard not. Thanks!

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    When and where was your car built???

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    ....The only red oxide in the rear body of my car was under gray primer sealer( Factory ? ) and the white paint. ..................

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    Exterior panels with red oxide primer sealer, followed by a light gray surfacing primer and then exterior color would be typical for 64-67 San Jose built Mustangs.


    Here shot (showing gray with red oxide under) of the front fender of a 66 original paint that the shop was stripping by hand last week. Hated seeing this vintage burgundy coupe being stripped - had very decent original paint. Oh well, not my car


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    My July 65 K Coupe had black primer on the under carriage as well.(I am the second owner and have had the car for 33 years. I talked to the original owner who said the only thing done to the car before I purchased it was it had been repainted because the California sun had bleached the Silver blue paint....at that time no work was done on the undercarriage) When I did a ground up restoration on the car last year I could not find any evidence of red oxide primer (only black) any where. ...........

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    Of course we can not be sure of when it was really built but if you found no red oxide anywhere then yours is the only one I've ever seen or hear of after tens of thousands of early San Jose cars. Since you have only had it 33 years I wonder what happened in the past.


    Did you happen to purchase it from the original owner?

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    Check this out on ebay. Although I agree that removal and replacement would be tricky.

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    I've cut the extra material (with a drimmel) away from the posts on the back side then applied a little epoxy to the posts ends when I reinstalled them.


    Worked fine for me

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    ............ But this now begs the question that Shane asked earlier.. where can we get a reasonable repoduction stamp to do what we want?

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    One would have to be designed from scratch like many of the ones I use are. You can start out with someone else design but I end up redrawing most of the letters to get the correct look. Also remember that you need to figure in between 2-8% stamp growth depending on the rubber used and the depth of the relief in the stamp face.


    Guess (as slow as I work and pick at details) it would take 20-plus hours to get a decent design.

    Have a few of these - Ford (in the first few years the Mustang was out) sponsored all of different driving events in some of the major urban areas. They also sponsored clubs and national organization with news letters and such but it died out after a few years when Ford started funneling their advertising dollars to the high performance clinics and the like