Posts by J_Speegle_old

Have seen original export cars with and without the washers on the shock supports but most I've seen/worked on were without this detail. (even found a few Falcon export cars) Most recent a 67 very original NJ built export car without them. This car of course didn't have the firewall support for the export brace (a practice that ended in 66)

By 68, it may have depended on where the car was being shipped to if the car even received an export brace. Have one going to Europe with, one to Japan without (both pretty original cars both NJ built)

As far as Shelbys the washers were typical through 67 (seems a larger percentage of 67's came without them - but the vast majority with from my experiances)

Nothing to do with the Koni's, just a stronger mounting point.

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I have an idea. Maybe Vert is a different

shade of Green and it's named Vert to

differenciate between the two.

Possibly Bo. In other references Ford used "dark" and "light" prefixes to describe different hues of a color rather than different names. One example though where they did was in the use of Azur in some references.

Looking at chips it seems that "vert" is pretty much a standard looking medium forest green.

Search continues

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Again documentation was requested and presented……. I’m sorry my sharing actual confidential Ford information with the members of this forum has created such controversy.

Sir I believe we all appreciate you sharing the information you found with us. Its inclusion in this discussion is valuable and helpful.

I think you'll find that many of us (can only speak for myself of course) feel more comfortable having supporting facts/findings from a number of sources that supports one another.

Again I for one appreciate you sharing. BTW could you provide what period the document you referenced applies to or was published?

Thanks again

The other challenge is the possibility of the engineering information never being applied to production cars or if so, how long.

We've discussed this before and no real conclusion nor enough original resources to come to any conclusion yet IMHO. Surely this uncertainty is the reason for the post above. He's hoping new facts/examples have been found since the last discussion

Just to help others respond to your ad... since you mention April 67 are you looking for the Thermactor or non- Thermactor plumbed heads?

If you settle for the stickers (they are plastic rather than the original paper) at least tear the ends with a tape dispenser or a hacksaw blade to reproduce the original end (they appear to have been on a spool of stickers.

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..............I think you also got different rear springs and different rear shocks although I'm not sure about these last two items. ... Qman

Yes sir you did... The suspension was pretty much as the same as the Shelby that year. Lots of incorrect info out there.

If you can find a nice Nov-Dec 65 (maybe a A66) I've got a C65 to trade

Kind of confused (notjing new)

Where did you read that the comp suspension had a particular rear end ratio?

Is the original tag and does the casting date from the rearend match (well close) to others

"My question is if you ordered the comp sus. did that override the prevous rear end.

Not sure what "previous rear end" means there were suggested ratios. Like allot of options, but when ordering you could order any RPO rear end and gear ratio generally

Does the door tag match the Marti report?

Depending on when you car was assemblied Ford did use AC brand PCV valves for a period.

Sure Mike would fill in with a picture

Q ... checked. No Dearborn K firewall shots

Sorry hopefully another member will have one of these rare cars

Yes Quentin what year and plant?

So you get the best info

The reason (from my observations) for the lack of buildsheets in most of the San Jose cars comes down to the reason for printing the buildsheets in the first place (general statement for all years there.

From my understanding there were many copies of each buildsheet produced for each car. The copies were sent to the areas of the plant (for the interior and drivetrain part of the assembly process). Build sheets were designed to guide the second half of the assembly.

At the subassemble points parts were combined or located then sent to the line to meet up with the car they were for. At the other plants the copy of the build sheet was often attached to the part or subassembly but at San Jose it seems that instead the rotation number from the buildsheet was written on most of the part or assembly to identify the specific car, then buildsheets were thrown away instead.

In addition, so that the parts made it to the right car) the cars second rotation number was written on the front and the rear of the car so workers could easily identify the car.

In later years we see a combination of rotation numbers and buildsheets used at the other two plants but not to the extent I've seen San Jose.

As for early Shelbys, since they were build in groups under a special order number and with the use of add/delete sheets that identified the changes and parts for the group of cars so IMHO it is unlikely that individual buildsheets were printed for each car.

In 67 it has not been uncommon for an owner of a 67 Shelby to find a copy of the Add/Delete sheet under the carpet of their car.

I have a few copies of 67 San Jose buildsheets but generally these are from odd cars rather than regular production cars.

Having spent 30+ years in and under thousands of cars I can say that San Jose buildsheets are a rare find but they did use and sometimes toss one in a car every so often

Hope this helps

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What's the difference between "milled" and "bored"???

Bored would refer to the removal of a circular surface such as the bore (where the pistons go) on a block to remove wear/imperfections or make perfectly round.

Milled would be the removal of material from a flat surface such as the mating surfaces of a head or intake manifold to increase compression ratio or remove imperfection (make flat) for example

Which style?

If your not restoring the car or if you want to play the "available option" game you might want to consider the Cragers since it's a 65. IF not that particular 66 ten spokes look really nice in most cases IMHO

But can not recall ever seeing a set of Hurst wheels on a Mustang during the era. Cragars, American spokes, chrome reversed wheels (and later daisy or dished) were much more common

John since its a Nov southern Cal car I would go with something in the low "R"'s (RA-RH)

Calif is changing so people can add Black plates to their cars (unfortunately IMHO) so reproduction ones will likely be cheaper (and normally in better shape)

Have a Colt 500 - Black powder coated out in the shop somewhere

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....I don't know but I'll leave these

on for now until somebody can prove they are wrong.

Well that is one way to look at it

Have pictures of the same car. You don't see many early drivelines with three stripes and there is often a work spot on the driveline where the emergency can rub.

Looked again through my pictures and there is one that was offer as an example of a 4 speed Hipo. No year or month nor very clear. And I did not collect this directly!!

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Sorry can't be of more help

Originally I saw this post and passed it by since I had no help to offer at this time, but have been asked to post.

As most of you know I've sent allot of years collecting paint marks and such (think I placed the first paint marks on a show car about 1982 or so) but unfortunately we have not found original examples of all the different models and applications. Often the paint marks were not just related to the year, supplier of the part, application and plant but often changed one or more times during the year.

Early cars are at a disadvantage since their build sheets do not include any paint identifiers to help us out all these years later

Over the years I've seen a fair amount of reproduced driveline stripes on early K codes but will not pass on or suggest using any of these. Would rather not have a mark than have something copied from another unverified resource.

IMHO we have TOO much of this as one owner puts a mark on their car from someone else's only to have it reproduced over and over again. Perkin’s 70 Boss was the first example of this. Once it made its way into print those same paint marks ended up on all kinds of cars, since “who knows they are right for my car???” The owner that said that lost points for applying them to a 69 KR 

Also please understand that just because one car had a mark on the car no way guarantees that the same mark was ever placed on another car. On the cars I do place markings on I typically only place marks back that came from that particular car or that have been found on multiple cars from the same time period, plant and cars equipped the same.

At almost every show I find at least six cars that have marks that either never came on cars from that factory or someone got colors from somewhere but had no idea of how (method, pattern and process.. even the right hue).

I understand it can be frustrating these days as everyone figures we should know everything and it should be available at the click of the mouse. Hopefully someone will turn up a handful of original cars (don’t want to base stuff on a single car if we can help it) that we can evaluate and come to some conclusion.

Stepping way down off my soap box