Posts by J_Speegle_old

Quote from Murf

Always tried to find a date code on one of the shrouds as well - with no success. This has to be one of the few parts on a Mustang with no means of identification. Have always found this odd. Could an ink stamp have been used to identify this part?

Never heard of or seen a an ink stamp on a early shroud

Quote from Murf

Anyone have a pristine original to examine and post results?

Here is what I can offer. Old NOS example

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If you do a search you should see the other threads where this was discussed and pictures posted

I know I posted a few of the NOS ones I had

Plenty of things to discuss but thought the paint marks entertaining and the 69 Calif lic plate way out of place

There is a difference between convertible and non convertible mounts but that should not be a problem here.

As stated the Mavrick mount mounts will work just fine for this application

Just remember that AMK does not always identify differences between what the different assy plants used in their hardware or parts.

But allot of good info also

Quote from 65 2plus2

I looked at the stamping. It is definately a 6.

Any other theorys besides Charlie's?

Yes its stamped 5F06K310812

IMHO simply a opps on the part of the stamper. Not the first time we've seen this - though rare

What are the dates on the heads? If you post them it might cut down on PM's

Looking for a late 65 pair

Thanks

I checked my books but no luck One was too early and the others were too late for my collection of books

Thanks for the additional pictures - wonder why ( I pulled the parts from the trans) the governor I got was different

Hmmm.... maybe I'll just use one fo the repos inside

Maybe this will help in some small way

Original cover (engineering number is hard to see in the picture)

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Original cover and governor from inside

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Reproduction cover

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Reproduction servo from the inside

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Are these prices (considering your location) from a shop that is taking the parts across the border??

Know a few shops that are doing that in the state

Quote from k code 65

Thanks again Jeff,you mention check the VMF,Concours Area,is this on the K Site,if so where can i find such info please,i have been looking for pics of Restored Undercarrages without much success.

Thanks,Shane

Try here (its on Vintage Mustang Forum)

http://forums.vintage-mustang.com

If you look in the General discussion area you will find the Concours area about half way down the page just below the Mod and Custom area

Be very careful IMHO when looking at pictures of "restored" cars. You never know if they are correct or if they simply copy someone elses "restoration" Even if they won some award. Instead search out low mileage unrestored examples from the same year, month and assembly plant

Just my 2 cents

Quote from k code 65

Thanks Jeff for your input,i am slowly working through past forums and taking notes.

Shane

Check over in the VMF (concours area) also for some more info

Quote from Qman

I see in the NPD and other catalogs you can buy a body Schutz spray gun. Has anyone used one of these? What about the spray can of sound deadener? Do either of these give good results?

Yes have used/tried that and other guns and was unhappy (finished product did not look like factory) with the results

Quote from Qman

Looking for some help (if this has been covered just point me in the right direction)...I know factory sound deadener was sprayed on the inside of the rear quarter panels the inside of the doors and the inside top of the front fenders. Should I be aware of other locations?

The methods and locations can vary depending on year, assembly plant and worker. Add to this when the material as applied (before or after primer coat, paint coat - before or after the the car is assemblied)

Lots of steps and details for understand before you start if your really restoring a car IMHO

Quote from Qman

How do most folks apply this undercoating? Thanks for your help folks. Qman

Depends on what area. Currently most of the products available do not look anything like the original stuff. If does not build up to the original thicknesses or provide the original look.

Currently I'm working with a brushed on product that is later overcoated with a spray to give the final "sprayed on" look. But its a combination of produce and technique that produces the final look

Quote from k code 65

Hello,i need help with Colour codes for third member( Red)

If you do a search I think you will find some recent discussions on this subject.

For something right out of a can I would start with DP74 and tint it to get something close

Quote from k code 65

Grey ( Cast Iron )for Gear box and Various undercariage components,VHT Do a Cast Iron in a Spray Can,is this colour close too original,can anyone steer me too a good Link for good Undercarriage Detailing for 65 K Car.

Cast Iron greys can vary allot depend on what company makes the stuff. Most of the time they will work ok for cast iron non treated parts if you shoot them every thin (so they don't look painted. Remember the cover, bolts, machined surfaces, large nut and end cap are not finished the same color.

As for "various components" in general I would say no, the cast grey is not even close since you are likely thinking of items such as spindles, strut rods and other steering parts. These were all heat treated so they take on a completely different look and you have to "brighten" the different machined surfaces

Here are a few examples of later parts (what I have handy) that should give an idea of what I'm discribing - Hope it helps

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Try some DP74 it will give you the somewhat shinny look of the original paint (rather than the flat open finish of other products. You can tone or tint is a bit if you want to get closer to the original color (I do)

Don't forget the bare machined surfaces

There were some changes between the way cars were built (even the period of time they were built) and how they were run. Have some build up sheets for a "R model" engine build or two.

Here is a list from a 67 Trans Am Build - Should have the dyno sheets and another sheet showing plugs, gaps, timing, fuel and oil stuff also

ENGINE ASSEMBLY

Qty.....Part Number........Part Name

2.......C6FE-6049-A.......Cylinder Head

1.......C6FE-6083-B.......Cylinder Head Gasket LH

1.......C6FE-6083-B.......Cylinder Head Gasket RH

10......377531-S..........Bolt, Cyl Head - Short

10......377530-S..........Bolt, Cyl Head - Long

20......377426-S..........Washer 7/16 flat

8.......C6FE-6110-A.......Piston

8.......C6FE-6150-A.......Piston Ring - Top Compression

8.......C6FE-6152-A.......Piston Ring - 2nd Compression

8.......C6FE-6159-A.......Segment - Oil Control Ring

8.......C6FE-6161-A.......Spacer - Oil Control Ring

8.......C6FE-6200-A.......Rod, Connecting - Assembly

16......C6FE-62121-A&B....Bearing - Con-Rod

16......C6FE-62121-A......Bearing - Con-Rod (Selective Fit)

1.......S1CR-6250-2.......Camshaft

1.......C3OE-6256-B.......Sprocket - Camshaft

1.......376058-S..........Bolt - Cam Sprocket

1.......C3OE-6269-B.......Plate - Camshaft Thrust

2.......375932-S..........Screw - Cam Thrust Plate

1.......C3OE-6265-B.......Spacer - Cam Sprocket

1.......C6FE-6316-A.......Damper - Crank Vibration

4.......C5OE-6333-A-B.....Bearing - Main Upper

4.......C5OE-6333-A.......Bearing - Main Upper (Selective Fit)

1.......C5OE-6337-A-B.....Bearing - Main Center Upper

1.......C5OE-6337-A.......Bearing - Main Center Upper (Selective Fit)

4.......C5OE-6338-A-B.....Bearing - Main Lower

4.......C5OE-6338-A.......Bearing - Main Lower (Selective Fit)

1.......C5OE-6339-A-B.....Bearing - Main Center Lower

1.......C5OE-6339-A.......Bearing - Main Center Lower (Selective Fit)

8.......C6FE-6505-A.......Valve - Exhaust

8.......C6FE-6507-A.......Valve - Intake

16......S1CR-6513-A.......Spring - Valve - Assy

16......S1CR-6514-A.......Retainer - Spring - Valve - Top

16......S1CR-6A536-A......Retainer - Spring - Valve - Bottom

16......C5FE-6A517-A......Seal - Valve Stem

16......C6FE-6565-A.......Rod - Valve Push

1.......C6FE-6670-A.......Spring - Oil Pump relief

1.......S1MR-6582-A.......Cover - Valve RH

1.......S1MR-6582-C.......Cover - Valve LH

2.......C2OE-6584-A.......Gasket Valve Cover

1.......S7MR-9424-A.......Manifold - 2 - 4V Intake

1.......C2OE-9A424-A......Seal - Rear Intake Manifold

1.......C2OE-9A425-A......Seal - Front Intake Manifold

2.......C5OE-9439-A.......Gasket - Intake Manifold to Head

1.......C3OE-8255-A.......Gasket - Manifold Water Outlet

2.......C5ZA-9447-A.......Gasket - Carb Base

1.......C3AF-9510-BK......Carburetor - Holley 600 CFM

1.......C3AF-9510-BJ......Carburetor - Holley 600 CFM

4.......16R-463-A.........Float - Carburetor Fuel

2.......34R-2007..........Jet Plate #16

8.......88401-S8..........Stud - Carb to Manifold

8.......33798-S8..........Nut - 5/16 x 24 Carb to Manifold

1.......S1MR-6675-A.......Pan - Oil “Cobra Drilled for Temp”

1.......C2OE-6710-B.......Gasket - Oil Pan RH

1.......C2OE-6711-B.......Gasket - Oil Pan LH

2.......C2OE-6723-A.......Seal - Oil Pan Front and Rear

18......S2MS-6676-A.......Bolt - Oil Pan - 1/4 x 20 x .75

4.......S2MS-6676-B.......Bolt - Oil Pan - 5/16 x 16 x 1

1.......C3AE-6730-A.......Plug - Oil Pump Drain

1.......C2OE-6734-B.......Gasket - Oil Pump Drain Plug

1.......S1CR-6644-A.......Pick-up Oil Pump (Braced)

1.......S1CR-6626-A.......Bracket, Oil Pump Support

1.......S7MR-9351-A.......Cover, Fuel Pump Blacking

2.......C3DE-6766-C.......Breather Cap, Valve Cover

1.......C3AE-6714-A.......Oil Filter

1.......MS-20074-06-11....Screw - Oil Pump 3/8”

1.......MS-20074-06-06....Screw - Oil Pump 5/16”

1.......S7MS-9D280-A......Tube - Fuel Distribution - Carbs

1.......C3DA-9A722-A......Rod - Carburetor Throttle

1.......C3AE-8C760-A......Trunion - Carb Throttle Lever

1.......34656-S8..........Nut 10-32 Hx. Lock (Trunion)

1.......34079-S8..........Nut 10-32 Hx. (Throttle Rod)

2.......378536-S8B........Washer .214 ID x .44 OD

2.......377519-S..........Hairpin - Spring retaining

1.......C2SE-9E544-A......End - Carburetor Throttle Rod

1.......C5ZZ-12259-A......Wire Kit - Spark Plug

8.......S7MR-12240-A......Ends - 90 Sparkplug Wire Insul (Autolite P/N 20-5438

IF you want email them to me and I'll post for you

Check my collection of pictures as found the following

Here is a correctly finished/original parchment example

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Here is an incorrectly finished parchment example

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Might want to search online but the company that makes some of the wrinkle paint use to make it in a white (easier to color) but most auto shops don't carry it.

The oven works best for me (just did a set of Cobra valve covers) putting on the two coats and while the second one is still wet (different than when baking regular paints) get it in the electric oven.

250 for about 15 mins seemed to produce the best consistent finish if the paint coat is fairly consistent, over the complete surface. Not the big heavy wrinkles but the small light ones like what was done originally

Remember that the lower clamp bracket and the wire cover were not wrinkle

Hope this helps