Posts by J_Speegle_old

    Quote from round2K

    I'd still like to know how many 65-66 Shelby's are in the SAAC registry compared to the number of K codes in the HiPo registry.


    Dave all the 65-66's are in the Registry - but we can not be certain which ones are still with us. Now you can go through the list and see which ones SAAC has noted the "current" (as of over ten years ago) or an older owner (maybe sometime in the 80's) but there are more that have never contacted and sent info into SAAC over the years. I know a few that have no interest in others knowing they have one.

    Quote from luckyhipo

    Food for thought--- I was recently talking to old timer about Block stamping and he told me that originally Ford was not stamping any blocks or transmissions due to cost. But Carroll Shelby insisted that any cars delivered to him had to be stamped. Since most of the cars delived to him either came from San Jose or Detroit the ones built in Metuchen were not originally stamped. If anyone happens to run into Carroll you might ask him and settle this once and for all.

    I'm still researching this subject.


    Don't really think we need to ask - since we have a fair representation of original examples of San Jose built K codes that were not Shelbys that were stamped on blocks and trans. Also documentation stating that it was done. Or at least was suppose to always be done ;)


    Wouldn't trust what Carroll would remember either - he wasn't spending that much time with all the little details and I've heard him say enough things than conflict with the facts - so as always, listen but confirm ;)


    Always IMHO we have to take workers, individual statements, with a grain of salt and compare them to known facts.


    Example -Had three of the ex workers (two that had worked at San Jose and one from NJ) in the shop last month. Each swore that a particular finish was never used on the underside of ANY Mustang. When I produced sections cut from floors of Mustangs - all they could say is that they never remember seeing those colors.


    Can't swear that every plant - every time did it. But believe at least at certain plants it was the common practice. Now at the NJ plant - I think almost anything was possible :P

    Quote from Murf

    The numbers I quoted are taken from "MUSTANG DOES IT" written by Ray Miller and published in 1978 by Evergreen Press, Oceanside, Ca., ISBN 0-0913056-09-X, Page 314 - 315. Quoted from footnotes at bottom of page 315 "Figures on these pages are from Ford Motor Company and the Shelby-American Automobile Club. ...............


    Thanks John I though that had been your source - ;)

    Quote from Murf

    According to accepted figures there were 77,079 produced in 1965. Only 5,776 fastbacks had the "pony" interior and are included in this number. This also includes the 562 fastbacks which became 65 Shelbys.


    John are these the numbers from Walter Millers book?


    If so always wondered where those came from originally

    Quote from round2K

    It would be interesting to compare the number of 64 1/2 - 66 K codes in the HiPo registry to the number of 65 & 66 Shelbys (including the Hertz cars) in the SAAC registry.


    Since the SAAC register is based on paperwork/records and the Hipo Register is based on just reported info it would likely be like comparing apples and oranges.


    Or comparing the VIN's in The Mustang Production Guide with K Marti's data base ;)


    Lots of differences - would not think that the Hipo Registry represents 10% of production, but that would be just a guess

    Rarity all depends on how specific you want to get as most can be paired down to one of one or one of a handful.


    IF your looking at the larger categories then the 65 GT350 and the 69 Boss 9's are near or at the top. You could argue that the 65's don't count since they were not built by Ford and are not Mustangs ;)


    Not allot of early cars (even K codes) end up at big auctions or at the prime time possibly why you have observed as you have.

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    .......... How do you guys suggest I go about this? I don't want to get black overspray all over the nice white paint job, but masking it will be too sharp of a line. Should I just use a brush with some flat black enamel over the white? I imagine spray paint would have too much pressure to avoid the overspray....


    Use a method referred to as backwards masking where the edge of the masking tap is bend back towards itself (no folded!!!!!)


    This produces a soft edge rather than the sharp edge like you see on cars above. Paper/mask off the area above (also mask off the front fender edge if the fender is installed) and shot the pinch weld and bottom of the rocker panel with a can of semi-gloss black (rattle can) pressure will be a minimum and you will not get any overspray if you paper the area and point the nozzle the right direction ;)


    Seen owners do this on the show field and in the parking lot - you can do it

    Quote from garymcgowan

    I'm still having a little trouble understanding the sequence used to paint the under carriage. My 66 appears to have been sprayed red oxide and then a flat or almost flat black.


    Remember the amount of shine can be the type of paint (falt or semi-gloss) or can be effected by the amount applied (misting or overspray will make the finish look more flat)


    The black you see over red oxide (in your example) could be from the engine compartment (front wheelwell application depending on the plant- differences) or from the pinch weld black out.


    Then there is always the possibility of an earlier owner with a spray can or eartlier attempt at "restoration" ;)

    Quote from round2K

    Tom - If you should find anything on the fabled "desert" radiator I'd welcome the info. It gets hot as hell where I live and if I could find one in the scrap yard today I wouldn't know what it was.......


    They look like this ;)


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    Seen them marked a couple of different ways

    Quote from garymcgowan

    Jeff, thanks very much for all the fine examples. Most of them look as if they were just hand painted with a brush. Most of them very sloppy. Did the assembly plant make any difference in how they were painted?


    Though they may look that way all were to be painted with a spray gun - lower pressures and volume than the exterior guns to reduce the overspray. Because of the angle overpray did get on everything that hung down from the floor pan (torque box, frame rails, convert floor supports and floor pans near the rocker panels)


    Out of the thousands and thousands of original cars I;ve looked at only one was painted with a brush. IMHO it was likley one that got over looked/missed and an inspector picked up on it and had it corrected. Since it was easier just to slop on some paint from a can rather than return the whole body back to the paint area. Have seen the slop brush used on other cars/other years when a black out detail was missed at some point.


    I've not seen nor documented any real difference between plants. More between different workers likely due to their body height of amount of effort ;) But the differences are minor

    Quote from bobmannel

    What is a pinch weld?


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    Typical distance from pinch weld is appros 1/2" -1 1/4" with a soft edge (was not taped off when painted) The edge on this example is too sharp - the owner painted the body color over the pinch weld black out

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    Here is an example where the worker got lazy and just didn't bend over enough :(


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    Quote from CharlesTurner

    Been seeing more and more dark(er) color cars with pinch weld blackout. Don't think it was only exclusive to light color cars, although I know that's what is printed in the MCA rulebook. ..................


    +1 ;)