Posts by round2K_old

MCA concours rules for 65 say semi-gloss black or zinc dichromate pulley and fan.

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Also, these sellers who hide the consecutive # of the VIN, say they are doing this to avoid scams. Ridiculous! What type of scam? If anybody wants a K VIN, all they have to do is pick up a copy of the Registry. The way I see it, if the VIN is secret, then I am not interested.

I couldn't agree more. The notion of being secretive with VINs when they're out there in the Smart books, Tony's book, and others is flawed.

Thanks to toolbox for coming up with the technical name for the resonator tube we now have this:

December, 1963 Patent #3,114,432 for a "Sound Attenuating Gas Conduit" was assigned to Edmund Ludlow and Benjamin H Irwin, assignors to Arvin Industries, Inc.

US Patent Office Abstract:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pa…7&RS=PN/7017707

The entire patent is avilable for viewing on line.

That is an enlightening piece of information about the science of the resonator tube.

The resonator tube is believed to have been 1" in diameter, and will not be installed on the prototype until after the first test fitting. The picture below are courtesy of Charles Turner and are the only system photos we have, which is why we continue to seek Ford engineering drawings for the system. The Benson Research Library has responded to my formal request saying they don't have them any more and suggested I try Kevin Marti. That shows the difficulty in recreating the system in the absence of drawings from Ford. I am also scouring my library of early car magazines in hopes of finding an undercarriage picture(s).

For those that have inquired about the system in GT configuration see Bob Mannel's "Mustang & Ford Small Block V8", Appendix I "High Performance Options", page I-20 for a Ford illustration that clearly show the GT trumpets as an option.

I will upload WAV files of the transverse system and the prototype for comparison once everything is installed.

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The Ford illustrations show it could have been either way.

The prototype work continues! There is still much work to do, but it is progressing steadily along. I will be test-fitting the basic parts on my 65 fastback next week, then return them to the fabricator for detailing including the upper resonator tube, fine tuning the fit and sorting out of brackets. Those of you that have NOS clamps could help the effort if you are willng to provide them for measurement.

The Ford Benson Research Center said they don't have the engineering drawings any more. If anyone has a connection at Ford and can help with an inquiry through internal channels it would be appreciated.

For those that are intereseted in the system, the fabricator may work out distribution through NPD. I am intereseted in this for my own car as it was orignally an Arvinode. If you are interested I will add your name to the list and pass it on when the system is ready to go. Thanks to Charles, Bob and Karl for contributing images, parts & constructive criticism.

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I could use the bezel nut that holds the switch in place. Have a spare?

Will do.

The NADA values are important to understand in that some of the insurance carriers use them as the upper end of the underwriting limits. If you have a car worth $50,000 and you try to insure it for a $1 million the carrier isn't going to underwrite your coverage. The point of introducing the concept of NADA values into the discussion was simple; NADA may not be an accurate as representation of the wholesale or retail market, but they do serve to act as underwriting guidelines for Hagerty and several others.

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NADA is a bunch of garbage. Here is a market value for you.

NADA has this spread for 1965, 2+2, 271/289, 4 speed, SS wheels:

$19,148 $32,395* $61,400

It is quite a range and the insurance companies do use it for their valuations. I wouldn't characterize this as out of line with the low, medium and high range of the market.

It is shown in detail in either the Wiring Diagram book that is published in pamphlet form or the Osborn Electrical Factory Assemby manual. I'm out of town and don't have access to the books, but I have the same accessory in my '65 and went looking for the info and found it as an illustration with a schematic.

You can always email them. They are generally responsive to questions of that kind.

I'm seeking a transport company that would be willing to take a full load of cars from California to the show in Utah. (I don't really want to trailer across Nevada in the summer.) If anyone is interested please let me know so I can get a count on the number of our cars. I'd like to see if they can cut us some kind of a deal if we're organized and make it easy for them.

Hagerty uses the NADA as their starting point. If you want to get into the upper end of their prices you will have to give them some background on the show history of the car. They generally want authentication of a #1 car for their top end. If you haven't insured with them yet they will ask you for an image file. It's not easy to over-insure, but it is definitely easy to under-insure. The best bet is to insure for as much as they will let you get a way with.

You may find that the autmotaic, though rare, is not as desirable as a stick.

Update:

The development of the front muffler is in the prototype stage now. There are several people trying to get engineering drawings from Ford through different means, but still no headway. I have a tentative date for test fitting the system in late February. Thanks to Bob Mannel, Charles Turner and Karl Seifert for contributing to the research.

There was a reference in that article to a guy in Sweden or Switzerland that searches for cars for $420 per hour. He must be on the trail of some very pricey cars.

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Would you use ramp lock bolts with tabs.

Nope, it's one or the other.

You will find both on 66 cars. Early cars should have tabs and later cars ramp locks. Bob Mannel's book says the change took place in December of '65 (page 6-25). You can also double check details like these if you are a member of MCA and you download the rules book for concours cars.

I spent three years looking for previous owners of my car and eventually found them all. I wish any one of them had been looking for me like I was looking for them.

Hang in there and you will connect with the owner of this car. It's still a pretty small world.