Posts by kar-nut_old

    From the NADA site:

    High Retail Value

    This vehicle would be in excellent condition overall. It could be a completely restored or an extremely well maintained original vehicle showing very minimal wear. The exterior paint, trim, and mechanics are not in need of reconditioning. The interior would be in excellent condition. Note: This value does not represent a "100 Point" or "# 1" vehicle *.


    * "100 Point" or "# 1" vehicle is not driven. It would generally be in a museum or transported in an enclosed trailer to concourse judging and car shows. This type of car would be stored in a climate-regulated facility.


    Another tip to lower your insurance cost if allowed in your state is to register your classic car as a historical vehicle.

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    If you search old threads you will see that someone does indeed rebuild the crimped pumps.

    What old tread mentions a source that rebuilds crimped pumps?


    This thread does.


    I followed up on that lead awhile ago, the person who answered the phone said they closed the business.

    With reference to paint markings on the driveshaft another note on the drawing points towards the rear of the tube near the differential U joint "after balancing daub with yellow paint the light side of balance condition" Of all the other color combinations of stripes mentioned/shown in my opionion it is apparent that a single green stripe somewhere along the tube & a single yellow stripe near the differential joint is a possible scenario. Since these notes are on the product engineering drawing these identification markings would most likely have been added during the manuafacturing process of the driveshaft. I suppose other identification markings could have been added during vehicle assembly.

    Charles…Just wanted you to know Ford phosphate & oil can also be black in color.


    Many of us including myself entered this hobby without unrestored/unmolested vehicles; if you feel you have that luxury you are correct restore to original to the best of your ability/believe. Even if several pictures of alternator brackets, driveshaft paint stripes, leaf spring paint markings, battery hold down clamp etc. are revealed I don’t think I would be convinced (do the math) my vehicle was built that way. By having & sharing the Ford data I’m hopefully giving each individual the option to make the choice if so desired to restore to a picture/photo or what ever they deem to be correct or the way Ford intended the vehicle/part to be produced. Given the choice I personally will take the Ford (or MCA) way.

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    Tom: At the 2006 MCA judges meeting, I put forth a proposal to pursue obtaining original documentation from Ford Motor Company to help validate our rules. It was voted on and approved. This year we are making strides in that direction with the MCA VP having made progress with our Ford contact who is looking into the matter. I would have asked for your help, but did not believe you would be cooperative.


    I have been as diplomatic as possible, it's your attitude that everything published by Ford should be considered the gospel that I have a problem with. We have already proven the alternator bracket drawing did not reflect what we find on production cars. If you would simply have more of an open-mind in this matter, we could work together and solve some production mysteries.


    None of the documentation has caused any controversies, only peaked our interest to learn more.

    Charles: Do you have a copy of Ford Motor Company engineering material specification for phosphate & oil?

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    Charles Turner finally chimed in.....Charles I'm not being defensive I'm merely providing information for the betterment of the hobby. As always someone comes forth as a self appointed expert that has to thump there chest because they think they know more about these cars then Ford Motor.


    If the green & vert paint stripes colors were revised in any way from initial release to the end of production I would have stated so.


    Obviously you still have issues with people questioning the documentation you provide. And yet you still refuse to answer simple questions about blueprint vs. design. If you don't know, then say so. If you really are interested in the betterment of the hobby, you'll check your attitude at the door and work with us in getting to the bottom of the more challenging details such as drive shaft stripes.


    I have no issue with the documentation provided. Why would I it is not my data. Charles as an MCA head judge I would think you would have more diplomacy & welcome all Ford technical data to help authenticate the MCA rule book, instead you alway take offense.

    Not once did you ask for the data. Maybe MCA should have a technical board of review made up of automotive engineers to help you sort through the data. You have all the information I have as posted here & previously. I have nothing further to add or provide on the subject you & all forum readers have it all. I will wait until MCA come to a conclusion on this matter until then my driveshaft will go with out stripes. Again I apologize for any & all controversy the Ford data has caused any member of this forum.

    Murf, It is obvious to me that green & vert are two different shades of green. What shades they are I do not know. Jeff Speegle is the color pallet expert.


    Possibly Bo. In other references Ford used "dark" and "light" prefixes to describe different hues of a color rather than different names. One example though where they did was in the use of Azur in some references.


    Looking at chips it seems that "vert" is pretty much a standard looking medium forest green.


    Search continues ;)

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    Charles Turner finally chimed in.....Charles I'm not being defensive I'm merely providing information for the betterment of the hobby. As always someone comes forth as a self appointed expert that has to thump there chest because they think they know more about these cars then Ford Motor.


    If the green & vert paint stripes colors were revised in any way from initial release to the end of production I would have stated so.

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    Again documentation was requested and presented……. I’m sorry my sharing actual confidential Ford information with the members of this forum has created such controversy.


    Sir I believe we all appreciate you sharing the information you found with us. Its inclusion in this discussion is valuable and helpful.


    I think you'll find that many of us (can only speak for myself of course) feel more comfortable having supporting facts/findings from a number of sources that supports one another.


    Again I for one appreciate you sharing. BTW could you provide what period the document you referenced applies to or was published?


    Thanks again


    What data do you have to support your statements that the Ford documentation is not valid?

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