RB,
Those are definitely NOT HiPo motor mounts - sorry they are the standard '65 and early '66 style before Ford went to the stamped steel frame mount set up. I have a full set of both and these are not the HiPo mounts.
Not sure about the head number either - only one picture shows the number and it is too course to make it out exactly - keep in mind that ALL 289 heads have various numbers in this location.
Only thing you are missing is that this is a "part dealer" who is making plans for his retirement off these prices.
They pop up every so often on eBay unfortunately.
This is the dark side of the law of supply and demand.
Some people will be crazy or lazy enough to buy from him - I can't even if he has a part I need.
I attended every year from 1981 until 1999 - then moved away from the Tulsa area.
It is a great event and always has a bunch of really nice cars.
The block VIN is correct - You can see the coolant drain plug and hole for battery cable mounting - BUT why the cable isn;t there is a good question.
"LOOKS" like a nice car - maybe a 3-5 footer, but I see a lot of poor workmanship for this price - it is NOT worth 85 grand IMHO with that low level of detail and workmanship. Typical dealer hype.
Yes it does appear to be an original tag below a decal - I didn't look close enough the first time - it is however a 63A car - so the deluxe interior has been added.
It also does have disc brakes - you can see the caliper clearly in one of the pictures. The thing must be scary to stop with the small master cylinder from drum brakes!!!
Interesting that it has a "DISC BRAKE" pedal pad - YET a DRUM brake master cylinder.
Not to mention the cheesy repo door tag!
I'd check this one over carefully - I would question if it is a true GT or Deluxe car.
VERY VERY COOL !!!
I have one - not NOS - repop if you are interested.
I might have an extra old original too - but I'd have to look.
Kevin,
Check the history on the site - search on HEH-T or transmission and read all the posts that come up. Many owners have posted what tranny type is in their car and when their car was built.
My mid-April '65 has a HEH-T with a VIN stamp - so you may need an HEH-T - but you need to find some owners with cars closer to your build date to be sure.
I hope this helps.
Bob,
First off - THANKS for the continued dedication to seeking the truth and sharing it with everyone on the small block Ford!
Just to add to the pile of data - I can't say my HiPo has never been apart - In fact I'm 99% sure it has because it has the lower compression regular 289 pistons - but they measure standard. Other than that it is all HiPo. I've only had the car since 1979 - so there were 14 years of "who knows" early in it's life.
Engine build date is mid March '65 and all my casting numbers are within days of each other in March.
My crank may have a polish mark - may not - the area is so small it is hard to say for sure. I CAN say for sure that it has a hardness mark as shown in your book - 57 in a triangle - JUST like your picture and in the exact same place.
I think we have all said it is possible that some parts were actually checked and stamped to confirm the "batch" was up to spec. Could it be possible that while this engineer was able to see the "production" process, he wasn't exposed to the Quality Control steps? Maybe - and maybe this is where the hardness stamps come into the equation - with the remainder of the cranks just getting a "visual" inspection. This would make sense with industrial standard QC audit processes.
Just my 2 cents!
Thanks again for the "sharing the wealth" of information - your book is a GREAT reference source.
Unfortunately the HEH-BT trans is a WIDE ratio top loader and not correct for a HiPo.
The large main caps with date codes are from a Mexican block 302. They show up on eBay all the time and are very similar to HiPo main caps. May people use them as replacements when building a replacement engine to substitute for a missing HiPo 289. But they are not "factory correct" HiPo caps.
If you put these caps on a different block (other than the one they came on from the factory) you will need to line hone the block and caps so that they are true to each other - this needs to be done by a very good machine shop and care needs to be taken not to remove too much material - otherwise you will have major problems.
Did this include the T-5?
I know they removed all the "MUSTANG" badging due to the trademark issue in Germany - but did all the FORD stuff remain?
I've only seen 1 or 2 T-5s in 20+ years so I'm curious.
There are a multitude of features that signify a 64.5 Mustang - but many features carried over into 1965 as FORD used up parts - plus there has been a TON of mis-representation of these features.
The KEY things I look for are:
GENERATOR - ONLY 64.5 cars had them and the special wiring needed
BUILD DATE - The build date must be before July/August plant change-over - but there are a few late build cars out there - I do not know of a FRIM date when Ford switched
COUPE / CONVERT - There is NO documented 64.5 2+2 I've ever seen or heard about - people "talk" about one or two - but they usually end up just being very early 65 production
VIN - I'm no expert on the VIN sequences, but you can research the ranges for each factory - they are known pretty well and will tell you the approximately when the car was built.
2 speed heater motors, certain body features and sheet metal changes like the hood lip, the radiator core vents, or passenger side shock tower, etc can be misleading - yes they are features of early Mustang production, but they are not always unique to the 64.5 alone.
I hope this helps.
Did anyone notice that this car still has the road draft tube?
I just noticed it in the pictures.
WOW - very cool.
I've spoken to 2 previous owners of my car, but the trail turns cold at 1973 in the Oklahoma DMV. I located a phone number for the owner from 1973 - still at the same address! But never got an answer or return phone call - oh well.
Rene - you are a very lucky guy!
If the ad text is true - then I've seen this cars twin - the other Guardsman blue 64.5 HiPo convert.
It was at the Tulsa MCA show in the late 80's or early 90's - seems to me it was from Ohio or Illinois too. I have a few pics of it somewhere.
Beleive it or not the white walls are correct for these cars! The Red Band tires weren't available yet!
Definitely a nice car - looks like it has been "enjoying" the road a little from the Concourse Trailered days. It will be interesting to see what the end price is.
Rene,
Thanks for the great links!
Funny you should mention the "hand" or arm scene.....freaked me out too!
Yes that is the panel wagon - I'll have to go watch the film a little closer when "MAX" is working on the engine - if it is a Holden then it should be GM V8 powered.
LuvKcodes,
Yes they did use this body style in Mad Max - it was the "last of the V8 Interceptors" flat black car near the end of the movie - you know the one with the giant blower sticking out of the hood that Max uses to chase down The Toe Cutter, Blond, and the rest of the motorcycle gang.......YES I love the MOVIE!!! AND I've seen it WAY too many times!
Not sure, but the car may also have made an appearance in the next movie - The Road Warrior - I'll have to go watch that one this weekend!
I was also fond of the little panel wagon his wife drove in the movie - reminds me a TON of a Vega panel wagon my parents had when I was a kid - looked to be small block V8 FoMoCo powered too.
Rene - any idea what that car (truck??) was?
ssjroberts - YES that's the guy! He looked a little sick when he showed that clip on Leno - I guess I would be too watching something like that over and over! I'll bet it will be fixed again at some point.
COOL CAR. Thanks for sharing!
By the way for those who don't recognize it - this IS the car they used in MAD MAX !!!!
There is an AUSSIE Actor who recently showed video on Leno of himself CRASHING his FULLY RESTORED GT during a Rally Race - and he was behind the wheel - same color as this one - looked bad - he walked away, but the car was hurt BAD! This was his first car (teenager) and he hung onto it - restored it to show - then re-restored it to show and race - then he drove it beyond his skill!! I HATE to see this happen! Anyone else catch that show.
I have an extra "used" screw together pump - it is a generic brand - not Carter, but at least you could rebuild it. It has the filter canister on the bottom.
I can send you photos if you are interested.
