Posts by RalphJr

OK I'll chime in on the A/C issue.

My car had dealer air installed in '65 - can't prove it, but the car was sold in July '65 in Oklahoma - HOT HOT HOT. Car was built in April and Ink stamp datecode on the back of the original A/C unit is June '65.

I purchased the car in '79 with everything intact - A/C didn't work, but after 14 years that was no big surprise.

The Ford system for the HiPo used a special aftermarket lower pulley that fit the HiPo balancer - I still have mine - it is a large cast iron three groove pulley and is a snug fit with the ID of the HiPo damper. I'd be happy to provide photos or measurement details to anyone interested. Also, Bob Mannel's Small Block Ford book has a picture of a Ford prototype HiPo engine with A/C and power steering installed. My pulley looks just like the one in the photo - at least at that angle. My pulley would allow A/C and P/S to be used on the HiPo.

Oh - let's not forget Henry Ford's HiPo coupe had A/C and P/S too.

I can also confirm that the Green '66 GT350 convertiable has A/C too. Never looked at the lower pulley though. Not sure I have any photos of the engine on that car.

I've pulled the A/C completely off my car and had the firewall repaired back to stock non-A/C condition because I didn't want to get into the A/C value or originality debate - plus it saved me $$$ on the resto so far.

Besides as a teenager I never drove the car with A/C anyway, so I know how hot it is - to me that is part of the fun and memories once I get it back on the road!

Any idea what he wants for the jack? And does it have any datecodes on it.

Thanks

AWESOME PICTURE!

I agree - the '66 convert GT350s (not counting the "continuation" cars o'Shel built in the 80's) are rare indeed. I'm lucky enough to have seen one up close - the green one that resides in Oklahoma - spoke to the owner many times at the Mid-America Shelby meet.

The R code Shelby GT350's are right up there - especially considering the race heritage and loss that happened among those cars. BUT many of those cars now wear massive amounts of new sheet metal I'm sure.

I would also throw out Henry Ford's HiPo Coupe as a one of one rarity - all the special treatment the car received from Ford styling, being a very early car, and all the unique options it received make it very special - on top of the man who drove it!

I'm not an expert on the '67 K codes, but I would say it is worth more if it is mint and original as you describe - especially if it has some options - however there are many things that can lower the value - rust, missing original block, missing original unique HiPo parts (very expensive to replace these days), etc.

Your best bet it to get the Marti report for the car first - see how rare it is - then have it appraised by someone knowledgeable about Mustangs and K codes.

While the car probably is worth more than $35k, you might have a hard time selling it in today's market - so be preparred - if he really wants to sell it do your homework - this board is a great place to see what cars are really selling for and not just what a bunch of wealthy guys will pay at auction to trade cars. There are also a ton of potential "buyers" on this site - so don't forget to post the "for sale" here first - especially if your dad wants the car to go to someone who will love, respect, and enjoy the car as much as he has.

DISCLAIMER - this is just based upon the data in the thread - no facts or documents exist that can prove difinitively how many HiPos were produced in '65 or '66. All FORD records for these years were destroyed.

With 77,079 total 2+2 cars built in 1965

And assuming 2% had HiPos - might be a little low, but it is above the total 0.75% HiPo number for '64-'67. This would give you a total of 1542 HiPo 2+2 cars (including GT350s) in '65.

Take away the 562 GT350s and this leaves you with 980 2+2 cars with HiPo engines.

If some of the carry over '66 GT350s were actually '65 serial numbers then the number is even lower. SAAC could confirm this - I have no idea if these cars were actually left over '65 cars or new '66 cars. Seem to remember hearing or reading that some were actually incomplete '65s upgraded to '66 Mustang specs - but I could be wrong.

With 470 '65 "09" 2+2s in the registry so far - I would GUESS that between a third to a half of the cars survive today in some form - so the numbers are close.

At half you would have 940 cars total (close to my 2% number) - at a third there would have been about 1410 cars total.

Taking the average of this - and making the big assumtion that my original 2% estimate is close or a little low - you would have started with about 1200 HiPo 2+2s sold as Mustangs in 1965 - this does not include the GT350s.

There you go - best "GUESSTIMENT" I can do on the rarity of a '65 2+2 K code.

Awesome pics!

Thanks for posting them.

Great to see an very original car survive and an owner who understands and appreciates the value of it!

It is typically on the back of the driver side air vent - there is a bracket that holds it in place - if you can't find it - follow the wiring harness back to the firewall from the fuse box - the flasher wires exit the harness about 3-5 inches before the firewall behind the air vent.

I have seen an original 64 1/2 HiPo convert - have pics too - no rebody! It was at the Tulsa, Ok National MCA show in the late 80's - Talked to the owner - great story - it was a very early car by the datecode and he had lots of unique stuff being one of the first HiPos - he documented a lot of this stuff - it even had HiPo or High Perf written in paint inside the trunk area on the axle hump - they found this as they were stripping the car for the restoration. I seem to remember the guy was from illinois - gas station owner - and I think Mustang Monthly did an article too - nice car - very rare.

The guy doing the sheet metal repair and paint on my K 2+2 has one of the 12 original World's Fair convertible carousel cars - has special mounting locations from the exhibit. Car also has the special paint and body treatment - full smooth door jam areas and stuff.

Car was found and rescued from a salvage yard in the South - awaiting a full resto as parts are collected.

Go for the gusto and put a 3G alternator in - one wire hook up and regulator built in - all the power you will ever need.

Check out this website:

http://www.fordfuelinjection.com/

There is information about this mod.

If you need additonal details send me a private email - I have done this on my daughter's '66 restomod.

I agree with Fred - if we were giving out a "Best of 2008" award Dave and the guys at Waldron's win it hands down - for dedication, hard work, and "way cool" factor for the hobby.

I love this forum more every year - I've been a die hard HiPo fan and owner since 1979 and I love being able to finally talk to others just like me! There are just so few HiPos in any one place - it is great that we all fianlly have one place to meet up and talk.

A big thanks to the HPM Staff (Marv, Hank, Gene).....Keep up the good work guys!

Contact Hank - User name RacCol - you can send him an email via the website system - look on the Forum menu - click on Members and then click on his entry "RacCol" - this will pull up his profile and there will be a link to send him an email - he should be able to contact the current owner if the car is in the registry and the owner entered contact info.

Contact the administrator and see if he can put you in touch with the current owner of the car if it is in the registry - I'm sure the cars current owner would love to have it.

Fred,

I would be interested, but I have not yet located a 3939S or similar core.

I have an earlier screw type pump I plan to use - nicely restored myself.

If anyone has a core please let me know.

I know these are getting harder and harder to find.

My car will be a show/driver, so I'm not especially concerned about number or datecode - just the button top and canister.

My screw type pump was on the car when I got it in '79 - so I've never had an original button top. Good thing I had the sense to save it years ago when it started leaking! Even these cores are expensive now!

Thanks for working so hard on this!

This is exactly what makes this site and the people here so great.

We all work together and share information for the benefit of our cars and the hobby.

Have a great holiday season!

No I haven't heard anything back regarding this.

If I do I'll let you know.

Have a great Christmas everyone!

Nice car - welcome to the group.

Maybe we can get our cars together when mine is done - I'm outside Atlanta and my car is the opposite of yours - raven black red interior non GT non Pony - would be a cool picture with opposite North and South Poles of the HiPo spectrum in '65 K Fastbacks.

Here is a trick to try.

Use lots of WD-40 or other penetrating oil, get the nut off first then use a piece of 2x4 to push against the end of the bolt while you use a big ratchet or impact to spin the bolt from underneath. As you put pressure on the bolt it should start to move breaking up the rust holding it in place - sometimes they even look like they are threaded when they come out. Once you get the bolt flush with the floor spring retainer bracket on the outside you will have enough of the bolt out on the other side that you can use a wrench around the throat of the bolt to do the same thing - make sense? Put a smaller wrench around the bolt shaft - pull on it with one hand while the bolt spins with an impact in the other - it will work its way out.

I've had to do this a few times - even when they are not too rusty.

Once you can get leverage on the bolt and the oil starts working they will eventually come out.

I hope this helps.

Considering mine was built mid-April '65 and is only about 10k cars ahead of this one - no problem I can see.

I wouldn't call it an early GT - the GT package was released in April to the public - Ford was already building them up way before the end of April.

If you have the later 3 speed set up (switch OFF all the way to the left) I have a good used switch and wiring.

You also need to check your resistor assembly in the front of the heater box - red plate right in the middle of the front - this controls the various speed settings. When this breaks the blower motor won't get power - Scott Drake repops this part I think.

4 out of 5 of my Mustangs have all had the later 3 speed system - not sure how the eariler 2 speed system works - my 64 1/2 car never had problems.

A wiring diagram will definitely help - good investment.

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