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Replacement Timing Set
#1
I am rebuilding my engine and I can’t seem to find a timing set that will work with the hatchet weight.  The machine shop gave me a double roller that would work without the weight.

The camshaft was a melling part but I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a replacement set.

I found a cloyes set from Napa that looks right but is there a better quality replacement?  The one I found would also need to be drilled for the roll pin to attach the weight.  How would I do that?

Thanks for any advice.

Napa Set
3-PIECE TIMING SET

Part #: NTP 203014
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#2
The only currently produced "stock" K code camshaft that I'm aware of is an Elgin E-811-S. Original Solid Lifter specs. Others may know of something else available. Fred probably has the timing gears you need. Welcome aboard.
1965 Silver Smoke Gray K GT Coupe
1965 Springtime Yellow K Fastback
1967 Vintage Burgandy K GT Coupe
1970 Calypso Coral Boss 302
1984 Light Canyon Red GT 5.0 Convertible (Original Owner)
2012 Blaze Yellow Boss 302
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#3
Menace Wrote:I am rebuilding my engine and I can’t seem to find a timing set that will work with the hatchet weight.  The machine shop gave me a double roller that would work without the weight.

The camshaft was a melling part but I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a replacement set.

I found a cloyes set from Napa that looks right but is there a better quality replacement?  The one I found would also need to be drilled for the roll pin to attach the weight.  How would I do that?

Thanks for any advice.

Napa Set
3-PIECE TIMING SET

Part #: NTP 203014

The first thing that you will need to address is the year and change level of your engine. If you have a 66, things are easier. As far as drilling the crank gear for the pin, that is only the first issue. The crank gear is also thinner to accommodate the thickness of the hatchet. Otherwise the upper and lower sprockets will be out of line for the timing chain and your harmonic balancer will stick out further which will throw your pulleys out of alignment.

Yes, I do have the correct NOS Ford pieces for this however you should email me to discuss this further.

-Fred-
65 Koupe early San Jose Phoenician Yellow 4 speed
66 GT Koupe  Dearborn Blue 4 speed
66 KGT San Jose fastback pony interior Silver Frost  4 speed
64 Falcon sedan delivery  289 4 speed
65 Ranchero 289 4 speed
66 Corvette roadster 427/425 4 speed
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#4
C6ZZKGT Wrote:
Menace Wrote:I am rebuilding my engine and I can’t seem to find a timing set that will work with the hatchet weight.  The machine shop gave me a double roller that would work without the weight.

The camshaft was a melling part but I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a replacement set.

I found a cloyes set from Napa that looks right but is there a better quality replacement?  The one I found would also need to be drilled for the roll pin to attach the weight.  How would I do that?

Thanks for any advice.

Napa Set
3-PIECE TIMING SET

Part #: NTP 203014

The first thing that you will need to address is the year and change level of your engine. If you have a 66, things are easier. As far as drilling the crank gear for the pin, that is only the first issue. The crank gear is also thinner to accommodate the thickness of the hatchet. Otherwise the upper and lower sprockets will be out of line for the timing chain and your harmonic balancer will stick out further which will throw your pulleys out of alignment.

Yes, I do have the correct NOS Ford pieces for this however you should email me to discuss this further.

-Fred-

Another thing that is a great reference is Bob Mannels book on the small block Ford. Everybody working with these engines should have this book. I know that he is almost out of them so do not hesitate. The book is quite comprehensive and is only $39.00.

-Fred-
65 Koupe early San Jose Phoenician Yellow 4 speed
66 GT Koupe  Dearborn Blue 4 speed
66 KGT San Jose fastback pony interior Silver Frost  4 speed
64 Falcon sedan delivery  289 4 speed
65 Ranchero 289 4 speed
66 Corvette roadster 427/425 4 speed
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#5
Holman Moody in Charlotte can still grind you a HiPo cam at a very reasonable rate. The cam will be dead on.

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#6
65KGT Wrote:Holman Moody in Charlotte can still grind you a HiPo cam at a very reasonable rate. The cam will be dead on.

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This is good information. I was unaware of this.

-Fred-
65 Koupe early San Jose Phoenician Yellow 4 speed
66 GT Koupe  Dearborn Blue 4 speed
66 KGT San Jose fastback pony interior Silver Frost  4 speed
64 Falcon sedan delivery  289 4 speed
65 Ranchero 289 4 speed
66 Corvette roadster 427/425 4 speed
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#7
(10-21-2019, 01:13 AM)65KGT Wrote: Holman Moody in Charlotte can still grind you a HiPo cam at a very reasonable rate. The cam will be dead on.

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Thanks for the information.  I already ordered a cam from comp cams, their nostalgia plus which has a similar grind.  I haven’t fired the engine yet so I don’t know how it will perform but hopefully soon I find out!
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#8
Hi, Comp Cams do a replacement pn- SKU 31-110-5 following as per Comp cams website
Factory Muscle 228/227 Solid Flat Cam for Ford 221-302

SOLID:Factory I.D. # C30Z-6250-C for, 289 c.i. 65-68’, Factory 271 hp
SKU 31-110-5

Engine Family: Ford 221, 260, 289, 302 c.i. 8 Cylinder (1963-1995)
RPM Operating Range: 2,200-6,200
Grind Number: C30ZS
Cam Type: Solid Flat Tappet
Lifter Style: Solid Flat Tappet
Camshaft Series: Factory Muscle
Camshaft Gear Attachment: 1-Bolt
Valve Springs Required: Yes
Camshaft Material: Cast Iron
California Proposition 65: WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm P65Warnings.ca.gov
Advertised Intake Duration: 263
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 261
Intake Duration at .050 Inch Lift: 228
Exhaust Duration at .050 Inch Lift: 227
Intake Valve Lift: 0.478
Exhaust Valve Lift: 0.475
Lobe Separation: 114
Assembly Lubricant Included: Yes
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Also a Nostalgia Plus 225/232 Solid Flat Cam for Ford 221-302

Nostalgia Plus 225/232 Solid Flat Cam for Ford 221-302

SOLID: Outstanding power & modern tight lash with Ford 271 HP 289 cam character.
SKU 31-671-4

Specs as follows
Engine Family: Ford 221, 260, 289, 302 c.i. 8 Cylinder (1963-1995)
RPM Operating Range: 2,200-6,800
Grind Number: N+271S
Cam Type: Solid Flat Tappet
Lifter Style: Solid Flat Tappet
Camshaft Series: Nostalgia Plus
Camshaft Gear Attachment: 1-Bolt
Usage: Street/Performance
Valve Springs Required: Yes
Camshaft Material: Cast Iron
California Proposition 65: WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm P65Warnings.ca.gov
Advertised Intake Duration: 262
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 269
Intake Duration at .050 Inch Lift: 225
Exhaust Duration at .050 Inch Lift: 232
Intake Valve Lift: 0.495
Exhaust Valve Lift: 0.495
Lobe Lift Intake: 0.309
Lobe Lift Exhaust: 0.306
Lobe Separation: 112
Intake Centerline: 108
Assembly Lubricant Included: Yes
Valve Timing @ 0.015 Lift:
Exhaust Close ATDC: 19
Exhaust Open BBDC: 71
spec-card-valve-timing
Intake Open BTDC: 23
Intake Close ABDC: 59
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Zed Wrote:Hi, Comp Cams do a replacement pn- SKU 31-110-5 following as per Comp cams website
Factory Muscle 228/227 Solid Flat Cam for Ford 221-302

SOLID:Factory I.D. # C30Z-6250-C for, 289 c.i. 65-68’, Factory 271 hp
SKU 31-110-5

Engine Family: Ford 221, 260, 289, 302 c.i. 8 Cylinder (1963-1995)
RPM Operating Range: 2,200-6,200
Grind Number: C30ZS
Cam Type: Solid Flat Tappet
Lifter Style: Solid Flat Tappet
Camshaft Series: Factory Muscle
Camshaft Gear Attachment: 1-Bolt
Valve Springs Required: Yes
Camshaft Material: Cast Iron
California Proposition 65: WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm P65Warnings.ca.gov
Advertised Intake Duration: 263
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 261
Intake Duration at .050 Inch Lift: 228
Exhaust Duration at .050 Inch Lift: 227
Intake Valve Lift: 0.478
Exhaust Valve Lift: 0.475
Lobe Separation: 114
Assembly Lubricant Included: Yes
Recommended Components
Reviews

Also a Nostalgia Plus 225/232 Solid Flat Cam for Ford 221-302

Nostalgia Plus 225/232 Solid Flat Cam for Ford 221-302

SOLID: Outstanding power & modern tight lash with Ford 271 HP 289 cam character.
SKU 31-671-4

Specs as follows
Engine Family: Ford 221, 260, 289, 302 c.i. 8 Cylinder (1963-1995)
RPM Operating Range: 2,200-6,800
Grind Number: N+271S
Cam Type: Solid Flat Tappet
Lifter Style: Solid Flat Tappet
Camshaft Series: Nostalgia Plus
Camshaft Gear Attachment: 1-Bolt
Usage: Street/Performance
Valve Springs Required: Yes
Camshaft Material: Cast Iron
California Proposition 65: WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm P65Warnings.ca.gov
Advertised Intake Duration: 262
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 269
Intake Duration at .050 Inch Lift: 225
Exhaust Duration at .050 Inch Lift: 232
Intake Valve Lift: 0.495
Exhaust Valve Lift: 0.495
Lobe Lift Intake: 0.309
Lobe Lift Exhaust: 0.306
Lobe Separation: 112
Intake Centerline: 108
Assembly Lubricant Included: Yes
Valve Timing @ 0.015 Lift:
Exhaust Close ATDC: 19
Exhaust Open BBDC: 71
spec-card-valve-timing
Intake Open BTDC: 23
Intake Close ABDC: 59

Excellent detailed information on these cams. Thanks for posting this.

-Fred-
65 Koupe early San Jose Phoenician Yellow 4 speed
66 GT Koupe  Dearborn Blue 4 speed
66 KGT San Jose fastback pony interior Silver Frost  4 speed
64 Falcon sedan delivery  289 4 speed
65 Ranchero 289 4 speed
66 Corvette roadster 427/425 4 speed
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